JAL 747 sucks container into engine at LAX

Ok be like that! Next time it’s going in your mirror box! :diablo:

At least I’d clean it without taking the furry bit off the end of the sensor swab and wiping my anti-aliasing filter with a nice bit of plastic. Fool!

Anyway, better continue the abuse via text before Lance shouts at us. 😀

Paul

Just don’t be sick this time. 😉 :diablo:

Ok be like that! Next time it’s going in your mirror box! :diablo:

You’ll have all those Fruit Salad Vodka Bottles to help weigh you down – I think you would be just fine.

Especially after the 16th June!

Just don’t be sick this time. 😉 :diablo:

Paul

Even a cheeseburger lover like me?! 😀

Paul

You’ll have all those Fruit Salad Vodka Bottles to help weigh you down – I think you would be just fine.

LOL, maybe this should be the basis of our recent discussion….stand 25-ft away, and if the GE90 has you then you were fine with one seat, if not you need to pay for another!!!:dev2:

Oi. I’m not that fat! 😀

Paul

Even a cheeseburger lover like me?! 😀

Paul

LOL, maybe this should be the basis of our recent discussion….stand 25-ft away, and if the GE90 has you then you were fine with one seat, if not you need to pay for another!!!:dev2:

“Ladies and gentlemen, this is the Captain speaking. Unfortunately we’re going to have to return to the terminal due to some unforeseen technical trouble with engine 1. However, on the upside, we did pick up that container of late transfer luggage……”

The GE90 would not even surge if it ingested you!

Even a cheeseburger lover like me?! 😀

Paul

whilst not strictly commercial aviation, there is a video on youtube of a US Navy Jet on a carrier which sucked a guy into the engine….it’s is a remarkable piece of footage and although he was battered and bruised he survived because his helmet got stuck. I think there was a documentary on him as well and that can be found on youtube also.

That is shown in ramp training, to little effect in my experience!
The aircraft was an A-6 Intruder and the guys helmet got stuck on some guide vanes in the air intake. There have been several surviors of ingestion BUT all the engines concerned had guide vanes in front of the engine.

I recently was informed the suction of a propeller plane is non existent. That cannot be true either right ? I mean a regular Cessna 150 has to have a meter or two where the suction occurs right ?

Too right!!!!!! A propeller moves air from in front of it , to behind it so there is suction in front of it. Go tell that to your friend QUICK!!!!

Oh, I have to correct my 737 safety zone figures. At idle the danger zone is seven feet from the front of the cowl. At any other throttle figure this increases to eighteen feet .
On a 747-400 the figures are nine feet at idle and thirteen feet at takeoff
On the GE90-110 as fitted to the 777-300ER the figures are fifteen feet at idle, twenty eight feet taxiing and SIXTYTHREE feet at takeoff! The GE90 would not even surge if it ingested you!

Rgds Cking

What I meant is, the ULD seems like stuck at the engine inlet. IMO the engine is intact. In the Emirates A 340 tail strike case too, the aircraft was written off. But by looking at the pictures, the damage was just scrapes to the tail end and fractured rear pressure bulkhead. Why repairing aircrafts is so expensive?

Cheers….

Well, looking at the picture, it is probably fair to assume that most if not all of the fan blades will have been damaged (the blades being the bit at the front of the engine) and they will then have been sucked into the engine, causing vast internal damage. So the whole engine will need repairing, although my guess is that if a lot of blades have been damaged then the engine is likely to be a write-off and so will simply be replaced.

The casing around the engine will be the cheap bit to repair.

Well that’s going to reduce the airflow into the fan somewhat!

I once took these pictures at a TuiFly maintenance base showing the front and rear recommended exclusion zones respectively (on a 737):

What I meant is, the ULD seems like stuck at the engine inlet. IMO the engine is intact. In the Emirates A 340 tail strike case too, the aircraft was written off. But by looking at the pictures, the damage was just scrapes to the tail end and fractured rear pressure bulkhead. Why repairing aircrafts is so expensive?

Cheers….

How far front of the engine will it suck in stuff like ?

I once watched a 757 fire up its RB211’s.
They were sucking up the moisture from the concrete apron up to 20 feet away!

At idle on a CFM-56 as fitted to a 737, the danger zone is about twelve feet in front of the engine and to the sides. (measured from the centre of the spinner) The bigger the fan the bigger the danger area and, of course as the engine throttles up the area gets bigger.

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There have been engineers ingested over the years. The only bits that are recovered are the steel toe caps from their boots:eek:

Rgds Cking

Thanks Cking,

Good to know. I recently was informed the suction of a propeller plane is non existent. That cannot be true either right ? I mean a regular Cessna 150 has to have a meter or two where the suction occurs right ?

rgds,

Juke

Can you elaborate that.

Cheers….

Engines are expensive so something like that probably won’t be cheap to repair!

Paul

Didn’t a Delta L-1011 do a similar thing in ATL?

It did indeed, and I think I’ve seen a few other pics of the same thing.

There have been engineers ingested over the years. The only bits that are recovered are the steel toe caps from their boots:eek:

Rgds Cking

Whilst not strictly commercial aviation, there is a video on youtube of a US Navy Jet on a carrier which sucked a guy into the engine….it’s is a remarkable piece of footage and although he was battered and bruised he survived because his helmet got stuck. I think there was a documentary on him as well and that can be found on youtube also.

How far front of the engine will it suck in stuff like ?

At idle on a CFM-56 as fitted to a 737, the danger zone is about twelve feet in front of the engine and to the sides. (measured from the centre of the spinner) The bigger the fan the bigger the danger area and, of course as the engine throttles up the area gets bigger.
My rule of thumb is stay in the van! Or if you have to speak to Biggles, avoid going behind the nose gear.
We some times have to do leak checks on running engines. We approch from behind and there is usualy a red stribe painted on the cowls that indicates the edge of the danger area. There have been engineers ingested over the years. The only bits that are recovered are the steel toe caps from their boots:eek:
I saw one of our “Cone men” standing so close to a running CF-6 once that I felt physicaly sick. I spoke to him after the event and he just ignored me!
It WILL happen on day at MAN

Rgds Cking

That ain’t gonna be cheap!

Paul

Can you elaborate that.

Cheers….

That ain’t gonna be cheap!

Paul

I have to say… it sucks…

I’ll get my coat.