DL to dump NWA 787 orders?

found this on another forum:

“Delta Appears To Reject Initial 787-8 Deliveries
Mar 04 , 2009

Delta appears to have renounced its position as the North American launch customer for Boeing’s 787-8 widebody, according to the carrier’s latest regulatory filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

The Atlanta-based carrier, which inherited a firm order for 18 787-8s when it acquired Northwest Airlines, has dropped the firm orders from its latest report, which was filed late March 2. Instead, the airline in a footnote said the 18 aircraft have been excluded from its firm order obligations because “[t]he Boeing Company has informed us that Boeing will be unable to meet the contractual delivery schedule for these aircraft.”

Delta has been expected to revise, if not cancel, its 787 order since the carrier was favoring Boeing’s 777 over the all-new widebody. This expectation was heightened in December when the airline’s Executive VP for Revenue Planning and Network Management during Delta’s investor day conference said the airline’s 777s could be the 747-400 replacement whichNorthwest had intended when the Eagan, Minn.-based carrier first ordered the 787s.

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http://www.aviationweek.com/publicat…+Reject+Initial+787%2d8+Deliveries“

If true, this is also a big loss for RR, and a win for GE. GE produces the only engine on the 777LR. Also, good news for Airbus as DL has been rumored to get 10 more A330 fairly quickly (the existing NWA A330’s have PW engines).

Clearly, but calling it a tarted up 767 is simply wrong and not credible in any way.

Using that kind of sweeping statement, I could call the A320 a 737 with fake eyelashes and cheek enhancer.

I call my Mother-in-law a fat ugly cow..but that doesn’t mean it’s not credible

Is it not?

A B777-200, maybe. 🙂

I bet he thinks the Tristar is a 777 with an extra a$$h*le !!!:D

Is it not?

Whatever he’s drinking, I’ll have some. :diablo:

I bet he thinks the Tristar is a 777 with an extra a$$h*le !!!:D

Using that kind of sweeping statement, I could call the A320 a 737 with fake eyelashes and cheek enhancer.

Whatever he’s drinking, I’ll have some. :diablo:

touché

I think everyone’s getting frustrated with all the delays..it’ll be nice to see it make it’s maiden flight

Clearly, but calling it a tarted up 767 is simply wrong and not credible in any way.

Using that kind of sweeping statement, I could call the A320 a 737 with fake eyelashes and cheek enhancer.

I know you’re smarter than that Steve.

You know full well this is a whole new bird, hence the difficulties Boeing is experiencing.

I think everyone’s getting frustrated with all the delays..it’ll be nice to see it make it’s maiden flight

It’s a 767 with a bit of lip gloss and an upgrade!!

I know you’re smarter than that Steve.

You know full well this is a whole new bird, hence the difficulties Boeing is experiencing.

It’s a 767 with a bit of lip gloss and an upgrade!!

It looks like a B767 (and is directed on a similar market), but has no resemblance on the technical side.
You must allow the aircraft to lift off and prove itself.

It’s a 767 with a bit of lip gloss and an upgrade!!

“Hello” it’s a bloody lemon

Really?

Do we have stats to back this up?
Whats its actual range compared to the promised range?
Whats the actual fuel burn compared to promised specs?

Oh, hang on… its not flown yet.

How can something be a lemon when its not had a first flight?

Planning Lemon? Yes
Actual lemon: Unknown till flight tests.

It seems like a win-win-win:

1. Boeing gets to transfer the early NWA delivery slots to another customer, who is probably highly irritated with the program delays and will gratefully accept them.

2. Delta gets 777’s that it needs now.

3. Boeing keeps the 777 line hot, transferring delayed/deferred 777F slots (all they really are at this point is slots on a future delivery line, there should be plenty of time to change them over to passenger planes, perhaps it has already been done) to Delta.

4. Two or so years from now, when the economy has hopefully recovered, the original freighter customer gets back into line for their airplanes and Delta still has the later NWA 787 delivery slots that were not swapped to 777s now.

The only question is how much compensation the various parties require to make the deal acceptable to all parties. Fedex has already deferred their freighter order for 17 months,so I am not sure if they need further sweeteners at this time.

I’m sure there are B-Bashers about who will rejoice in any contraction of the 787 order book though.

From the Detroit Free Press:
http://www.freep.com/article/20081228/BUSINESS05/812280355

“We think the 787 is a fine aircraft”

“Hello” it’s a bloody lemon

Sounds like he’s trying to get a better deal on the planes…:rolleyes:

“… and as fuel prices have nicely settled a 40 bucks a bucket, we don’t see any reason until we get the golden handshake and leave the mess called Delta-Northwest to someone else.”

Oh you cynic you, but most probably correct…;)

“… and as fuel prices have nicely settled a 40 bucks a bucket, we don’t see any reason until we get the golden handshake and leave the mess called Delta-Northwest to someone else.”