Il-96 and A340

Actually, even the Russian airlines dislike their own aircraft, despite import taxes.

Not all of them do Schorsch……and even a Lada will get you there Steve:)

on a side but related note. Lately I’ve been playing this PC game called “Air Management” in America its known as Aerobiz. Its an airline simulation game.

You can buy the Il-96-300 or the A340 for your airlines. Based on the game at least, the Il-96 was cheaper but its higher maintenance and gas costs took a higher chunk of the total revenues of a route while the A340 costed more than twice as much as the Il-96 but had significantly better gas and maintenance costs. Even after several months, despite the A340 being cheaper/more profitable to operate.. it took a very very long time to make up for the costs of being twice as expensive than the Il-96. This of course is just a game 🙂

yes, its a Big game and when the player playing have no business exposure, marketting stratergy everything goes off-track and the outcome is pretty obvious. Thats what Russian aviation products in open market represent.

It will be hard for some to digest it, but check for the fate for Chiese ARJ. A lot of question remains regarding its built-quality, relaiblity etc

But, will it be a success???

The answer is pretty Obvious, It will be because China have a large market and they are much better Businessmen than the Russians and pretty well know how to promote and sell their stuffs outside their homeland

It’s like comparing a Lada to a Peugeot

Ahh, but which plane is which car? 😀

Paul

It’s like comparing a Lada to a Peugeot

Let’s talk spares availability, fleet commonality, customer (and passenger) resistance, as well as fuel burn and the unwillingness of western financial institutions to back Russian hardware (like it or lump it, that’s a fact).

Asking “which aircraft is better” is a futile question – what do you want it for? It is akin to asking “which is the better car, a Renault people mover or a Ferrari?” Everyone says “Ferrari”, and then the rider of “… and you need to move six kids to school every day in it” comes in, and the answer changes…

The OP has a habit of putting these strange questions on fora everywhere, and then either disregarding, or just ignoring the responses. I vote “troll”….

TA

Of course we can blame the evil Western airlines for not choosing the superior Russian aircraft designs. But considering that in order to earn 1% more Western companies do very wired things, we must conclude, that at least a few airline would take the Il-96 if it was competitive with an A340.

None did, not even those of non-Western airlines.

Actually, even the Russian airlines dislike their own aircraft, despite import taxes.

Let’s talk spares availability, fleet commonality, customer (and passenger) resistance, as well as fuel burn and the unwillingness of western financial institutions to back Russian hardware (like it or lump it, that’s a fact).

Asking “which aircraft is better” is a futile question – what do you want it for? It is akin to asking “which is the better car, a Renault people mover or a Ferrari?” Everyone says “Ferrari”, and then the rider of “… and you need to move six kids to school every day in it” comes in, and the answer changes…

The OP has a habit of putting these strange questions on fora everywhere, and then either disregarding, or just ignoring the responses. I vote “troll”….

TA

And the author knows his figures from sources like this one.
Airlines in the world know real life figures.
Airline operate A340.

and your point is? I’ve already stated that it is merely a game and thats it.:rolleyes:

And the author knows his figures from sources like this one.
Airlines in the world know real life figures.
Airline operate A340.

World Airlines also get good leases/payment schedules to get A-340 which Russian banks simply cannot compete untill recently. Similar is production rates at factory. It has practically nothing to do with end product comparision. Cash basis economy only IL-96 willl succeed in long term.

on a side but related note. Lately I’ve been playing this PC game called “Air Management” in America its known as Aerobiz. Its an airline simulation game.

You can buy the Il-96-300 or the A340 for your airlines. Based on the game at least, the Il-96 was cheaper but its higher maintenance and gas costs took a higher chunk of the total revenues of a route while the A340 costed more than twice as much as the Il-96 but had significantly better gas and maintenance costs. Even after several months, despite the A340 being cheaper/more profitable to operate.. it took a very very long time to make up for the costs of being twice as expensive than the Il-96. This of course is just a game 🙂

And the author knows his figures from sources like this one.
Airlines in the world know real life figures.
Airline operate A340.

on a side but related note. Lately I’ve been playing this PC game called “Air Management” in America its known as Aerobiz. Its an airline simulation game.

You can buy the Il-96-300 or the A340 for your airlines. Based on the game at least, the Il-96 was cheaper but its higher maintenance and gas costs took a higher chunk of the total revenues of a route while the A340 costed more than twice as much as the Il-96 but had significantly better gas and maintenance costs. Even after several months, despite the A340 being cheaper/more profitable to operate.. it took a very very long time to make up for the costs of being twice as expensive than the Il-96. This of course is just a game 🙂

Conviasa has an A340 already – and has ordered Il-96. So, for them adding more A340-s would be an option – but they prefer Il-96 instead.

Conviasa is a state-owned airline. The state here is Venezuela. And Venezuela was not known for rationale decisions lately. It operates one A340-200, besides its one B767-300 and 2 B737-200 and 2 -300. 6 aircraft with a total residual value of 120 million USD.

Not exactly a benchmark customer.

Besides that, any A340 they buy would have American content (CFM56-C is half GE).

Conviasa has an A340 already – and has ordered Il-96. So, for them adding more A340-s would be an option – but they prefer Il-96 instead.

This is quite possibly the vaguest question I’ve ever heard on these forums.

I’m going with the trolling option. 🙂

Paul

Syrianair has a fleet of A320.

and ?????

Syrianair has a fleet of A320.

well you shall see the 96 in Air Zimbabwe livery in the future.

I thought Air Zimbabwe changed their minds and declined to buy?:confused:

Proving what, exactly? :confused:

Only few of them regurlarly shops at Airbus or Boeing.
Armavia trashed (in a pretty stupid still sad way) an A320 a few years back.

The export customers of Il-96 are:
Air Libya
Cubana
Syrian Arab Airlines
Sirocco Aerospace
Air Zimbabwe
Conviasa
International Air Leasing
Armavia
and an unknown group from China.

Proving what, exactly? :confused:

well you shall see the 96 in Air Zimbabwe livery in the future.

The export customers of Il-96 are:
Air Libya
Cubana
Syrian Arab Airlines
Sirocco Aerospace
Air Zimbabwe
Conviasa
International Air Leasing
Armavia
and an unknown group from China.

well you shall see the 96 in Air Zimbabwe livery in the future.