Where Next For FR?

Some of MOL recent comments have been interesting, I liked the idea that he wants higher fuel costs to drive other airlines to the wall, such an impressive way to run a biz.

However, he also said he was also predicting a downturn for FR in the coming months as whenever BA receive a large order of planes it traditionally happens, anyone know why this is :confused:

That’s actually not entirely true,ryanair’s business model is suited to crisis,just look at what happened to the airline after 9-11,it actually grew stronger as a result,the airline has also posted record profits of €408 million after tax for the first 6 months of the year,so the so-called “anti-passenger stance” seems to pay…alot!,remember no-one is forced to travel with ryanair,it’s not the law

Do allot of airlines do that? Lease most of there fleet then cycle the older same type frames for new ones?

Ryanair have sold some 737s to the leasing company and leased them back – making a profit to boot.

The idea of turning over the fleet every few years is a risky business.MOL himself has said (this week) that air transport is a cyclical business with a downturn every five years or so. His airline, with its anti-passenger attitude, should be one of the first to feel the heat!

The older 737’s up to EI-DAG,have the older cabins AFAIK,the cloth seats,which are horrible,so that’s another reason they’re being disposed of,also not all of FR’s fleet is owned outright,so there is some sort of link between selling the original’s,which FR owns,and replacing them with aircraft on leases,so when the lease expires when a C check is needed,its sent back and a shiny new one comes from seattle to replace it.

What about expansion of Doncaster Robin Hood Maybe make it a HUB

New Belfast City Hub starts soon, I am really hoping that a service starts from Bristol to BHD…save me a lot of money going home!

Northern_Git I’m guessing they will expand out of Bristol further.

No Adam…Dreamliner wont be based there! (Which I’ve been on )

Indeed you are quite correct, as of today ryanair has now launched a new base, has got 16 new routes from bristol and now have 2 aircraft based here. Easyjet better watch out.

I didnt know you have been on dreamliner, whats it like on dreamliner? I bet you had some good airside photos of dreamliner :p lol

A concise and illuminating explanation I think Alertken. I guess you are descrbing a chapter of MOL’s unwritten book on ‘yield management’ of which he seems to be an expert. You didn’t mention that he probably bought the 800’s at the right price due to quantity and considering the write offs is probably in a negative tax liability bracket!:D

FR is an airline, but not as we know it, Jim. The intent is a headline ticket fare of £0. Singapore Airlines was the first air asset manager profitable by nicely running in Other People’s Money and moving it on before Heavy Maintenance. SQ’s scheme was driven by investment tax-credits. Harry Goodman (Air Europe) was first to try the same in UK, on F.100/MD-11, which would have been rolled on pronto after taking in as profit the difference between his sweetheart deal and public sticker price. Before MOL ordered -800 he put out ads for 50 used -300s, just to capture Boeing’s heart and mind. That worked, and more importantly, the financing schemes were “low-start, first time buyer”. Monthlies “balloon” as time effluxes. So, roll ’em over.

Astute. LH and QF could move their kit on well-priced even when ancient, because of the impeccable quality of Ops/Mtce. records and high S/B compliance. If FR is doing the same, if OEMs/financiers lust for his rollovers, and if second Users abound, he’s on a gravy train.

I’m guessing they will expand out of Bristol further.

No Adam…Dreamliner wont be based there! (Which I’ve been on :D)

Web site www.jethros.i12.com on their Ryanair fleet list are showing the first earliest 10 Ryanair Boeing 737-800s as leaving the fleet final quarter of ’07, with the next 10 during 2008, and a further 10 during 2009 (covers all the EI-CS* aircraft and as far as EI-DAG inclusive). (from nwan.co.uk)

RYR seem to be disposing of the older B738s before the expensive and time consuming C-check is due. MOLs theory is that aircraft dont make money sitting on the ground.

Steve

They are replacing the earlier delivered 738s with the newer ones so its not all fleet expansion with the new jets.

Steve

Yes indeed, I’d expect Ryanair and then others to operate their fleets like car hire firms do. Get them new, run them for a few years and then flog ’em to whoever wants them…

A bit of expansion at NCL would be nice seen as Easyjet seems to have lost interest and Jet2.coms new routes have well fizzled out into well nothing but a chav old peoples taxi service!

:confused: :confused: :confused: Really? What is the difference then apart from the hours on the planes?

keeping the ave age down

and more importantly keeping the maintenance costs down. Remember FR work those machines hard.

They are replacing the earlier delivered 738s with the newer ones so its not all fleet expansion with the new jets.

Steve

:confused: :confused: :confused: Really? What is the difference then apart from the hours on the planes?

They are replacing the earlier delivered 738s with the newer ones so its not all fleet expansion with the new jets.

Steve

“Where next for FR?” The further away the better IMHO, and take the nasty piece of work that runs the airline along too

Andy

I am willing to bet that within a year Ryanair will base two or more planes at Eindhoven.

New legislation has passed that allows wider opening hours for airlines, as long as the planes are based at EIN. This is valid for no more then two airlines to please the NIMBY’s at least a bit.

Ryanair is the only airline that has publically stated their intent to open a base, but did not want to do so as long as the opening hours where as strict as they where. The new legislation removes that burden, and allows two planes to be based later to be expanded to four.

Who the second airline will be to base planes at EIN is unknown. My best guess is VLM as Eindhoven is a large business city (Phillips, DAF trucks a bit further south). Also; Denim Air, the owner of VLM, is based at EIN as well so it would be logical. Other options include Transavia, KLM Cityhopper and of course the option that no second airline will base at EIN.

As for the routes, I do not know. I am hoping for Berlin.

Im hopping for some more LGW routes myself. But i doubt i will happen