Dreamliner unveiling

I’m finding the size difference of thew windows as depicted in that photo as being somewhat hard to believe.

Over active PR imagination perhaps? Surely theres not THAT much of a difference?

I dont have window size for the A330/340 jets but this diagram explains the size difference amongst the 777 , 787 and A350 –

So compared to the T7 the 787 windows are about 22% taller and 7% wider. The A350 windows are about 4.5% wider then the 787 windows but the 787 windows are 10+% taller then the A350 .

Some decent A340 window shots –

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1233107/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1232623/L/

I’m finding the size difference of thew windows as depicted in that photo as being somewhat hard to believe.

Over active PR imagination perhaps? Surely theres not THAT much of a difference?

possibly a dumb question…. but are those windows size purely part of the ambience design or do they solve some purpose?

Well it is all part of the passenger expereince. During the design phase they got an overwhelming response by the passengers to larger windows . Also they found out that it is better to have taller windows then larger ones as the preseption of space (greater then it is) is greater if one can see the horizon. I think in the 787 a passenger in the aisle can see the wingtip on either side , so sence of space is increased . It is the same effect that arches provide in architectural designs !

possibly a dumb question…. but are those windows size purely part of the ambience design or do they solve some purpose?

Those are ” Chevrons ” and have shown to reduce noise levels both inside the cabin aswell as lower the noise footprint outside . A boeing patent…

During tests at the Glasgow site with a 777 in 2001, Boeing found that two engines equipped with chevrons made no more noise than a single engine without the chevron.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/236095_quietjet11.html

Then engines really look great –

Also we can notice the size of the Windows fromt he mock up

I like the look of the serrated trailing edge of the nacelle.
A noise reduction feature?

A great collection of 787 shots –

http://www.flickr.com/groups/boeing_787/pool/

What an invredible machine! Kudos to Boeing for developing such a sexy beast. Can’t wait to fly in one with either Air Canada or maybe Air France. Was a little disappointed in the Webcast though, didn’t seem well thought out…

excellent pictures..the aircraft just looks so modern, specially the wings.

I think looking at the aircraft the best things were the wings (very thin) , the engines were freakn huge , also the nose was pretty nice . I would have loved a shark tail but…..

Oh i see,so if QR decide to replace A330-200’s it will be with 787’s rather than A350’s:confused: whilst the A350’s being a bit larger will replace A330-300’s and A340’s in QR’s fleet,assuming that they replace the A330 fleet and not just expand the fleet

Well no one knows for certain , the EK’s and QR’s are ordering aircraft like they are taking over the world 🙂 But QR is growing very fast (and they are great by the way) second only to EK . Now a lot of these aircrafts are for expansion . Infact if we look into what QR has done in the past we can get a better picture –

They signed an MOU last year ( and one before that IIRC) wanting the older version of the XWB , they also wanted the suped up A330 so we can see that they wanted a particular size , now that the XWB has grown considerably they need something for the lower end (They wanted it earlier) in which role the 787-8 fits perfectly ! Back then QR signed up for slots on the 787 (i think it was 2005) for 2009 deliveries , but since they had committed to become launch customers for A350 they gave up those slots and they went to the massive Qantas order . Later on airbus changed the A350 and what became was delayed from 2010 to 2013-2014-2015 (3 versions) and was upsized aswell . QR wanted something early as they were growing very fast and needed capacity so boeing was able to somehow hook them up with 2010 slots (Mid-2010) which worked perfectly because the 787-8 was the right size which QR was looking for in 2005-2006 ( in the 787 (when they requested slots) and in the A350mk1 and mk2) so its not that they changed strategy in a year or so ! The 787-8 will do very well for some of the smaller routes while the A350-900,800 will add more capacity . Boeing could only offer 787-9 to compete with the A350-800 and 900 as they havent yet launched the 787-10 so airbus appeals (as of now) more to airlines like QR and EK which are “capacity hungery” . The A350-1000 will be great for QR it would build up on the 77W and later replace them ! I would expect a big followup order for A350-1000 in middle of next decade !

the massive effect it would have on maintenance, the GENx must have some real benefits over the Trent…

Its either that or QR and airbus know that GE will eventually turn around and offer an engine choice for the XWB !!

Another smart thing QR have done is that they have Kept 30 Options on the 787 , most likely as an insurance against any further delays , redesigns etc on the XWB . This would be an inteligent move considering the fact that airbus is restructuring there company and changing the way they do buisness .

Here is a BBC video showing the difference between An A340 window (size) and a 787 Window –

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6280000/newsid_6281300/6281332.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm

What is really interesting is that they have chosen the Genex for these dreamliner . The genex is not offered on the A350 (GE doesnt supply engine to A350 as of now) .

Now, that is mighty interesting!

Considering the massive effect it would have on maintenance, the GENx must have some real benefits over the Trent…

Oh i see,so if QR decide to replace A330-200’s it will be with 787’s rather than A350’s:confused: whilst the A350’s being a bit larger will replace A330-300’s and A340’s in QR’s fleet,assuming that they replace the A330 fleet and not just expand the fleet

Thanks for clearing up the Qatar/UFO order,now to get my head round why they would want both the 787 & A350 when i assume QR would have to wait to near enough when the A350 comes out to get their hands on a 787:confused:

Agian i should have clarified this , the rumours (when they surfaced about 2 months ago) were that QR had reserved slots with boeing quite a long time ago and will be getting first deliveries starting 2010 timeframe . Now i doubt that currently there is anything more valuable (in the industry) then Dreamliner slots so its close to 4 years before the XWB arives. So no alternative from Airbus in that timeframe , plus early slots by boeing .

Also the fact that given they are choosing 30 Dreamliners they have quite a significant number as to justify 2 types,specially considering the fact that they have chosen the 787-8 (majority ordered are -8’s according to FI)dreamliner which has no REAL (capacity wise) competitor in the XWB lineup . The have chosen the A350-800 over the 787-9 and have gone for the -1000 model to which boeing has no competition in the same family . They will use the 787-8 as the smaller end of there widebody fleet and the A350-1000 at the top end . There rational is quite similar to the SQ descision although SQ have gone with more capacity with both models.

What is really interesting is that they have chosen the Genex for these dreamliner . The genex is not offered on the A350 (GE doesnt supply engine to A350 as of now) .

Thanks for clearing up the Qatar/UFO order,now to get my head round why they would want both the 787 & A350 when i assume QR would have to wait to near enough when the A350 comes out to get their hands on a 787:confused:

More Photos courtesy Boeing Media –

Well i can vouch for the fact that the entire show in person was better then what you guys saw on the net . My office folks were very dissapointed . The atmosphere amongst the industry people was great and it is very rare for us to be together all in one place and not have to bother about meeting deadlines , working out contracts , doing PR etc etc This was just a relaxing time and the aircraft looks spectacular in person . I was personally dissapointed and let boeing execs know of it . I would have liked Mike to talk more about the technical issues , i would have loved folks like gilette who have had a main role with the boeing process which lead to the 787 to share there expereinces etc etc It could have been a better celebration of aviation , the aircraft , its technologies and the people behind it . I guess boeing will learn from this and with the 737RS they can do something nicer then what they did here . Anyways some pictures from various media sources , I have some cell phone pictures taken by my co workers and will post them once she uploads them and emails them to me .

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1233546&size=L&width=1024&height=697&sok=&photo_nr=&prev_id=&next_id=
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?id=536890128&filename=11839546701hwJB5.jpg

Also a great article –

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/boeing/787/787primer.asp

More pictures to come…

I agree with Gary, the show was abit painful but the 787 is growing on me everyday. I can’t believe how small them wings are 😮 Can’t wait to see her in the skies though!

did anyone notice the QATAR tail in the run down of customers,i can’t find any details about this order!?

I had predicted this yesterday , It was pretty much known to the industry and media insiders that QR’s tail would be on the presentation . It was claimed by James wallace SpI that the 30 x 787 order Which was a UFO was for QR and QR are going to keep it as a UFO so as to get max. mileage (“PR)out of the huge XWB order placed at paris. Do expect QR to come out and claim this order as there’s anytime now .

And now it has been confirmed by boeing via bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aNW3aYnIyqqk

First blurry pictures!

http://flightblogger.blogspot.com/