Should YOU stop flying?

Just thought i would add this…. made me laugh….. as it was only the other day he cancelled his ski trip to the alpps to stop G/W

“”Prince Charles has sparked controversy by flying to America to pick up an environmental citizen of the year award.

Environment Secretary David Miliband said Charles should receive the prize via video-link rather than making a 7,000-mile round trip.””

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1249006,00.html

Cheers

RicKT

My opinion on these sorts of things the media report is that the plane would have been going anyway and the amount of fuel required to transport the prince and camilla, in addition to the normal load, is genuinely not enough to kick off about especially if he normally travels by private jet!

Given he cancelled a ski holiday flight in order to take this trip, he has reduced his overall global warming contrabution as less fuel was used for just him! Im not saving i overly like the guy but unfair they target him like this.

How many hacks make pointless journeys to conventions or events across the world. I mean the BBC for their “Click” program (which i do like) sent three people to go to a Las Vegas Exposition. Given its a 20min program they could have covered all content with 1 person easily!

Heavy tax on business jets.

Just thought i would add this…. made me laugh….. as it was only the other day he cancelled his ski trip to the alpps to stop G/W

“”Prince Charles has sparked controversy by flying to America to pick up an environmental citizen of the year award.

Environment Secretary David Miliband said Charles should receive the prize via video-link rather than making a 7,000-mile round trip.””

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1249006,00.html

Cheers

RicKT

80% of China’s electricity comes from coal and over 500 new coal-fired power stations are planned to meet the massive energy demands of China’s booming economy.

India relies on coal to meet 50% of it’s energy needs and, like China, has plans to build a significant number of new coal-fired power stations.

Once these come into service, aviation’s contribution to the greenhouse effect will be put into perspective.

Our grandchildren will not thank us, that’s for sure. 🙁

Noticed that Jet2’s now got a news item on “green” issues

A couple of extracts…

“We believe it is important that everyone is aware of the real facts concerning air travel and the environment. First of all stopping air travel will not save the world. Aircraft CO2 emissions are very small compared with other sources of CO2 pollution. In fact according to the recent Stern Report, commissioned by the Government, aircraft produce only 3% of CO2 in contrast to road transport – 12%, electricity generation – 24% and deforestation (loss of rain forests) – 18%.”

and

“It would be better for us all to lobby to get rid of all those coal burning power stations that are the real threat to our environment.”

I do agree that some sort of change is required, if only to conserve the finite resources available.

Exactly. One thing more jets in the air is impacting on, is the volume of crude oil being used (all be it fractionally). I wonder how the industry will overcome this problem.

I think either (as I said before) development of Hydrogen engines, extremely efficient engines that do not use a lot of fuel, or maybe jet fuel will one day be able to be replicated using other chemicals and resources.

The current spotlight on aviation is due to governments who are preparing to increase taxation on that particular industy. The EU have been ready for a few years to introduce a duty levy on aviation fuel, all in the name of ‘climate change’. The UK government has increased APD in the name of ‘climate change’.

As for climate change, the climate scientists tell us that the ‘extreme’ weather we have seen in recent weeks is related to climate change. Yet there is an El Nino raging over in the Pacific, (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/impacts/200612/17999644.html) a climate phenomenon which impacts the entire global climate and its something the climate scientists still don’t fully understand.

On one hand scientists are confident in stating that climate change exists, yet they also admit that they do not fully understand the mechanisms behind the global climate.

I do agree that some sort of change is required, if only to conserve the finite resources available.

David Attenborough is one of the most two-faced individuals preaching about global warming. He has the affrontary to jolly off around the globe making his boring documentaries along with midiads of camera and sound crew, and then tells us all we should be cutting back. A** hole. If he really wants to preach on the subject, he should make a stand by refusing to make further programs that require any travel.Andy
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Thank goodness it’s not really like that then Andy… 😮 😀 😉

To me the programme seemed like an advert for robin hood airport and a few unrealistic people making it seem that aviation is all to blame!

in fact. I don’t believe in global warming – the planet goes through natural warming up and cooling down cycles, and we happen to be heading for one of the warming up cycles

exactly what I think, ok im not an expert at all but I think it is well know that the earth goes through hot and cold times. How did the planet get out of the last ice age? by some cavemen buring wood, creating co2 emissions, warming the earth up and melting all the ice? yeh right!…… it is obvious that everything that is happening is natural

Global warming is a load of rubbish exagerated by politicians and tree hugers to scam an extra few quid out of the average traveller! People like this need to put it into reality, think how many flights there are a day quite simply thousands. Surely if all this carbon ofsetting stuff was true then the world would be over by now…….. just yet another way for some boffin to be earning a bomb. £3 per flight or whatever it is, like heck all of that is going towards a tree, more likley to line the pocket of the person who’s idea it was to create the stupid thing!

Skymonster .well said….at last I am not the only one who does not swallow the whole of this global warming bandwagon. The true facts are being left out because its not politically convenient.Even the scientists are not happy about the current hysteria being generated in the media. Yes there are concerns but it is no way a catastrophe.

The EU made it complusary for all LAA (Local Area Authorities) to provide a Green Blue and Brown bin to households within the EU with a cut off date of i think April 2007. Heavy fines will be dished out if no one has got their systems running by then.

For what it’s worth…most major US cities have had such programs for years.

Cheers for that Andrew.

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I think some perspective is needed – the UK’s total output accounts for 12% of the worlds output – maybe we need to push the bigger players also as I havent seen anything in news of late about USA doing any moves to combat theirs…..

1) Not enough recycling bins on public UK streets. Toronto every bin is for a different purpose. One for bottles, one for paper, one for genral waste.

The EU made it complusary for all LAA (Local Area Authorities) to provide a Green Blue and Brown bin to households within the EU with a cut off date of i think April 2007. Heavy fines will be dished out if no one has got their systems running by then.

We have had ours for a while now as have much of NI!

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Sorry, but the program was a load of clap trap – typical BBC “reportage” in fact. I don’t believe in global warming – the planet goes through natural warming up and cooling down cycles, and we happen to be heading for one of the warming up cycles. Too bad.

Whether I fly to Vancouver and Dubai next month, Los Angeles in March, Geneva in May, and San Francisco and Dallas later in the year (plus all the other air trips I will inevitably make this year – last year I flew over 90 one-way flights, and I do not expect to fly less this year or in subsequent years) makes not a blind bit of difference anyway. Those flights will still operate whether I get on them or not, they will create the same amount of emissions which won’t have an adverse effect on the environment anyway, and even if I do travel on these flights I will not cause of additional flights to be operated that add to air traffic. So I don’t feel guity, won’t change my travel intentions, and I have no intention of buying into “carbon offsetting” either.

I’m afraid global warming is a mantra that’s being preached by the nutters of this world that’s unfortunately being picked up by the politicians. They see it not so much an environmental problem but more so as a means of raising revenue, so they jump on it. Tell me what benefit to the environment the increased departure taxes will have? Absolutely none – they’ll just go into the treasury to pay for more lunatic schemes aimed at pandering to minorities in this country. If global warming is a problem (and I again I say I don’t believe it is), government needs to stop preaching to the masses who fly and taxing us under false pretenses, and get on with building truely environmentally friendly facilities like nuclear power stations that don’t kick any s**t out into the atmosphere.

Like the David Attenborough led programme on BBC-1 just before suggested, we need to look at developing less polluting forms of fuels, so that we can continue driving cars, flying planes etc etc.

David Attenborough is one of the most two-faced individuals preaching about global warming. He has the affrontary to jolly off around the globe making his boring documentaries along with midiads of camera and sound crew, and then tells us all we should be cutting back. A** hole. If he really wants to preach on the subject, he should make a stand by refusing to make further programs that require any travel.

Andy

PS: I am proud to state that I have gotten rid of the nasty SUV/4×4 I used to drive! 😎 I have changed it for a smaller car that (a) creates more emissions than the SUV, (b) does worse mpg particularly if driven spiritedly as the type of car concerned encourages, and (c) is rated much worse in impact tests with pedestrians. But the environmental proponent on our street has complimented me on making a positive change for the good of the planet – what an IDIOT :rolleyes: 😀

Ah yes, but that’s Toronto, where the buses, trams and underground are wonderful, reliable and on time, and where things generally around the city are well thought out, as they are in many major European cities. We, however unfortunately live in the UK which has a remarkable lack of ability to do things well!

Paul

Yes, I’ve seen evidence of other european cities enforcing recycling well. I don’t know what the rest of the UK is like, but the Edin council collects recycled bottles/tins/paper/garden waste etc every two weeks which I would say is a step in the right direction.

I say the same thing everytime a ‘pollution’ thread pops up on these forums….yes air travel of course contributes and may increase as more airlines form and more jets are ordered, but more of an emphasis is put on efficient and ecconomical powerplants than other industries and as such the contribution is lower than – as has already been mentioned – eg cars.

I was told that hydrogen powered engines for planes are possible (thus only producing water as a by-prodeuct), however storage of the fuel is a great difficulty (15 tonnes storage for every 1 tonne of fuel) and also carbon is produced when making the fuel so it’s not carbon neutral anyway.

The trouble we have is that the goverments of the western world are heavily ‘in the pockets’ of the major petro-chemical companies and they quite frankly don’t give a damn…

Just as a note, this isn’t strictly the case. A lot of investment is being put into Nuclear programmes AND renewable sources – there is a lot of funding available for hydrogen solutions and fuel cell development. Main reason is, the easiest, quickest and cheapest ways of producing the fuel needed for the latter two are, in fact, through using energy made available from fossil fuels.

As a reuslt of this, non-renewable companies aren’t as scared of renewable fuels as you think they would be as their fuel is still recquired (at the moment) to produce these fuels.

As usual with the politically correct BBC the program was very biased, nothing much to report than that. Topped off with the hypocritical namby pamby tree huggers, with one in particular who flew said he flew a mere 3 weeks ago! :rolleyes:

Lets face it, no one is going to stop using air travel – and whether the tree huggers or the BBC like it they can do nothing about it.

Flex

So let’s just carry on regardless eh ?

I think the programme raises some important points, and no we’re not saying air travel is the most cardinal of sinners. Like the David Attenborough led programme on BBC-1 just before suggested, we need to look at developing less polluting forms of fuels, so that we can continue driving cars, flying planes etc etc. The trouble we have is that the goverments of the western world are heavily ‘in the pockets’ of the major petro-chemical companies and they quite frankly don’t give a damn…

Not enough recycling bins on public UK streets. Toronto every bin is for a different purpose.

Ah yes, but that’s Toronto, where the buses, trams and underground are wonderful, reliable and on time, and where things generally around the city are well thought out, as they are in many major European cities. We, however unfortunately live in the UK which has a remarkable lack of ability to do things well!

Paul

flying is the economy.