787 test flight

http://cc.talkpoint.com/LEHM002/020607a_jw/pdf/Boeing.pdf

This is a presentation from Boeing’s presentation at the Lehman conference a few days ago.
There are a lot of pics of production parts including the first production section.

Link Stolen from a.net.

Another difference between Airbus A380’s digital design and that of the boeing 787 has been well stated by Dassault company exec in a new SpI article , I am listing it and other comments –

Boeing uses software made by Dassault Systemes of France to model the 787’s entire design and production process.

The database, 16 terabytes in size, is held on computer servers in Bellevue and can be accessed by Boeing’s major partners around the world.

Dassault Chief Executive Bernard Charles said that while Airbus used the company’s CATIA computer-design tools on the A380 project, it did not use its global-collaboration software or the production-simulation software.

Such tools, he said, could have avoided some of the issues that have troubled the A380 program.

But Charles said Airbus is beginning to use the software Boeing displayed Wednesday, “starting now.”

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We really don’t have time for them not to fit,” Mark Jenks, who leads the design and production of the jet’s wings and tail, said in the video presentation. “When they come together the first time, they have to fit.”

Some of the partners “are struggling” to complete their work, and weight remains a problem, said Bair. But Boeing is piling on people and resources, and the program remains on schedule for a physical rollout in summer 2007. “Scrambling is a core competency of the Boeing Company,” Bair said.

Boeing eventually aims to assemble a 787 in Everett in just three days, but that’s a long-term target. Bair said the program will get assembly time down to six days as it builds the first 100 airplanes in the first two years, then drive toward the three -day target after that.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003465386_boeing07.html?syndication=rss

F-35 delay remains delay

Yes but how does that delay maligns CATIA in any way ? The f-18E/F had delays due to flutter do you want to blaim Dassault and Catia for that aswell ? What else do you want to blaim on CATIA design the F-22’s avionics problems ? Or the heat panels on the shuttle?

Already once designs a wiring harness with Catia?
You must constantly change between 2D and 3D.

So why did the CATIA induced wiring problem occur with the 777 which was also digitially designed using CATIA and other tools?

And what about boeing’s own comments that they are using the same version of CATIA .

You have to understand that the A380 wiring harness problems were not due to instability of CATIA but because their were 2 versions being used by airbus’s hamburg and toulouse plants as airbus only upgraded some facilities and not all !! Boeing has come out and since said that they use CATIA5 at every place of 787 manufacter or design . They are required to publically display any forceable delay and they have come out with cautions on the weight aspect and with the production ramp up aspect but not on the CATIA aspect .

@bring_it_on
Already once designs a wiring harness with Catia?
You must constantly change between 2D and 3D.

787 camouflaged airbus?

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2005-10/artikel-5485497.asp

EADS was however already in the past of frequent suppliers for machines of the airbus competitor Boeing.

F-35 delay remains delay!:diablo:

They are doing it at the moment ( both fatigue and Production)

It will be very interesting to see how far away it is from their FEA projections.

I know trying to model composite structures in FEA was giving Airbus serious headaches.

Perhaps Boeing, with its military connections, has already overcome this problem.

Have they done the certification tests on the wing yet? :confused:

They are doing it at the moment ( both fatigue and Production)

Dassault Catia is traditionally weakly with cables

Catia works best for everything including cables that is unless you choose to use catia4 in one of your plants and catia5 in the other plant the it doesnt work all that great 😉

You should not forget your F-35 fly since August 2006

The nature of the F-35 delays had absolutely nothing to do with CATIA not working properly or digital design not being optimal , it was due to the extra time taken to freeze the design (actually the design froze (to a degree) after the AA1 had launched production) . I think you need to know the facts before trolling !!

And BTW the F-35 AA-1 is said to fly on monday (weather premiting)

Dassault Catia is traditionally weakly with cables.:D

It is if you use different versions of the software in different locations for the same project. :rolleyes:

Have they done the certification tests on the wing yet? :confused:

Dassault Catia is traditionally weakly with cables.:D

“Boeing gives peek at new 787’s digital assembly line”
The same system use Airbus at the A380.
There virtually also everything fit beautifully. Interesting it will have to fit if real parts together.
You should not forget your F-35 fly since August 2006.;)

Yes, and?
Boeing used CATIA for the 777, and now Airbus use it?

So?

“Boeing gives peek at new 787’s digital assembly line”
The same system use Airbus at the A380.
There virtually also everything fit beautifully. Interesting it will have to fit if real parts together.
You should not forget your F-35 fly since August 2006.;)

Boeing 787 Program Ends Year with Celebration of Progress

EVERETT, Wash. , Dec. 06, 2006 — Customers, partners and employees gathered at the Boeing [NYSE: BA] Everett factory today to celebrate the virtual rollout of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner and the program’s progress over the last year.

Mike Bair, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, hosted the event.

“Today’s virtual rollout is the culmination of many months of effort by thousands of team members at Boeing and its 787 partners,” said Bair. “Through the use of our new digital toolset, provided by Dassault Systemes, the team has proven the ability to manufacture 787 designs.”

While the detailed analysis and demonstrations created by the team remain proprietary for competitive reasons, the program did share a number of engineering-based simulations ranging from part installations to the final assembly factory flow in Everett.

“The engineering data behind these simulations gives us confidence in our assembly processes and our ability to meet our commitments to our customers,” Bair said. “Our tools have enabled us to model the entire production process from our partners’ factories to our own. We have found errors in simulation that would have been costly to find in production and have been able to design corrections quickly to keep the program on track.”

For many of the partners, the simulations were paired with footage of actual work on their first test and production parts.

During the ceremony, Bair said that the first production wire bundle had been delivered from Labinal to Korean Air’s Aerospace Division for installation in the wing tip being manufactured in Korea.

In addition, the program unveiled the new paint scheme for its 747-400 Large Cargo Freighters and announced that those airplanes will be named “Dreamlifters.”

“The Dreamlifter is a vital tool that allows us to create a production flow around the world that is very efficient,” said Bair. “We look forward to receiving the second Dreamlifter from EGAT in Taiwan early next month. It will arrive in Seattle already painted and ready to participate in the ongoing flight test program.”

Additionally, the program unveiled the Dreamliner Gallery, a new facility in Everett, Wash., that provides 787 airline customers a more streamlined approach to airplane configuration.

“The Gallery provides a single location for airlines to configure their 787s,” said Bair. “All catalog selections will be physically present in the Gallery for customers to see, touch and evaluate prior to selection. Previously, this was done at various locations around the world.”

Also in preparation for the airplane’s entry into service, Boeing is working with ANA and Northwest Airlines on a Service Ready Operational Validation program that will happen at the end of the flight test program and prior to first deliveries. A 787 will be used on actual airline routes, replicating the rigors and demands of commercial service.

“This is similar to the programs we have used with great success on other programs,” said Bair. “It is one of the last steps we take to ensure that the airplane, the airlines, and the infrastructure are ready for 787 revenue service.”

Bair congratulated the team for a spectacular 2006 and reminded everyone that 2007 is when many of the program’s major milestones must be completed.

“We open our Everett factory next year and start producing airplanes,” Bair said. “We will have our rollout and first flight and will begin the flight test program. Every year has been important as we move toward starting deliveries in 2008 but next year will be the most demanding experience for many of us.

“This is why we came to work for Boeing,” he added, “to create new airplanes that bring new levels of performance to our customers and new levels of comfort and convenience to the passengers of the world.

“It’s a challenge, no doubt about it. This is the team, all of us together – our customers, our partners and each of us – who will bring this airplane to life. It’s an amazing journey from where we started just four years ago. But the best part is yet to come.”

Boeing 787 Dreamliner Program
2006 Major Accomplishments
All factories begin part production
Wing test box complete and testing under way
Major systems laboratories opened and running
On-time start of major assembly
Large Cargo Freighter first flight and flight testing
First production wire bundle shipped
GoldCare Lifecycle Support Solution offered for service
25 percent of systems for airplane No. 1 shipped
Virtual rollout
First 787 VIP models sold
Orders and commitments increase to 458 airplanes from 37 customers
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http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061206c_nr.html

Wrong.
He retired from active participation when the planes …and company grew. Anyway, he was always the financial backer, not an engineer.

Retirement is the fine rewriting for expropriation.
William Edward Boeing (Böing) whose only 53 years old, a litle bit to young for retirement. In 1934, the United States government accused William Boeing of monopolistic practices. The Air Mail Act ordered him to break up his company into three separate entities: United Aircraft Company, Boeing Airplane Company, and United Air Lines.

Boeing gives peek at new 787’s digital assembly line

EVERETT, Wash. — A powerful computer system that simulates the assembly of Boeing Co.’s new 787 Dreamliner cut typical costs by about 20 percent and trimmed a full year from production, officials said Wednesday.

Leaders of Boeing’s 787 program showed off the digital assembly line in a “virtual rollout” of the airliner, which is scheduled for its first test flight next summer and for delivery to airlines in 2008.

The fuel-efficient new jet has given Boeing an advantage over troubled European rival Airbus SAS, which just this week formally launched a wide-bodied jet designed to compete with the 787.

Boeing has 435 firm orders for the new 787, and deliveries are booked until late 2013. Mike Bair, the 787 program chief, said Boeing is surprised demand has stayed so strong.

“We kind of anticipated that people would start losing interest as the delivery dates get out there to 2013, and 14 and 15,” Bair said. “But the activity in the marketplace just continues unabated.”

The digital assembly system, designed by French company Dassault Systemes, allows Boeing engineers and contractors to make sure their products will fit together nearly perfectly before any parts are even shipped to Boeing’s assembly plants.It has even helped improve worker safety, revealing such details as how far a mechanic would have to stretch to reach a particular bolt.

Such an advanced computer system is a first for Boeing. The company has done digital design before, but the new assembly mock-ups have prevented thousands of errors in the manufacturing process.

For example, workers found that some electronic components didn’t have enough room to fit in the space they were given during a simulation, allowing engineers to redesign the space well before actual assembly.

“As a former manufacturing engineer, I couldn’t imagine ever doing it the way we used to do it,” said Scott Strode, vice president of 787 production.

The two-engine 787 will deliver better fuel economy than older four-engine jets in the same size category. As fuel prices rise, the fuel-efficiency sales pitch has grown more persuasive.

The 787 has been struggling to reach its target weight, and Boeing is pushing to trim extra pounds. The company still expects to have the 787 at its target weight in time for the first delivery.

Bair said engineers are evaluating individual parts for extra pounds, and continuing to switch some aluminum components to titanium.

The company has been looking for ways to speed up production starting in 2010, but Bair said it won’t be clear precisely how to speed up the pace until workers get experience assembling the planes.

“We’re waiting a little bit until we get some parts under our belts before we make a final decision,” he said.

Also on Wednesday, Boeing announced a name for the converted 747-400 freighters that will ferry large 787 parts from overseas suppliers. The bulky plane will be known as the Dreamlifter.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Boeing_Virtual_787.html

Read a very good article on JetStar and its wait for the 787s. The airline is literally waiting for the 787s to properly launch there operations, currently fitting the 330s in as replacements. When asked why they chose the 787 the answer was simply ” Boeing was offering a price which was too good to go through”.

Will Boeing do the same and display all the airline logos the first few 787’s are rolled out? It would be a lot of stickers…

Traditionaly they display the logos of all the airlines that have ordered the aircraft up to the point of prototype rollout

Will Boeing do the same and display all the airline logos when the first few 787’s are rolled out? It would be a lot of stickers…

The stickers on the 380 are just there for show

No the stickers are there showing the customers who have ordered the jet so far and well if the aircraft flying around is a new one and one of a kind ( or 2 or 3) then youd want to mention atleast all the customers who have spent billions in buying that jet.

Ah, thanks for that. So it’s just the initial customer as it were. The stickers on the 380 are just there for show :p

Symon

What defines a ‘launch customer’?

The airline that orders first (and usually gets first deliveries) . For the boeing 787-8 and 787-3 the launch customer is ANA (Al nippon airlines) and for the 787-9 is Air newzeland . I believe Singapore are the launch customers for the A380 and I dont think its clear who the launch customers are for the A350XWB however I think that after everything vis-a-vis the contracts are done it would be QR or maybe finair.