Oasis' 1st flight delayed on military reasons!

At 2891x60m, yes. Manston is 2752x61m, and I believe MSE is operating reduced distances at the moment as well.

Ok Cheers. wow the runway is longer :eek:.

James

She was in MSE yesterday doing the same thing 😎 Is Doncaster Sheffield Airport runway long enough?

James

At 2891x60m, yes. Manston is 2752x61m, and I believe MSE is operating reduced distances at the moment as well.

Oasis Hong Kong Airlines B-LFA due 23/11/06 at Doncaster Sheffield Airport for circuit training between 10:00 and 14:00. Anyone in the north gets a chance to see it up close 😀

She was in MSE yesterday doing the same thing 😎 Is Doncaster Sheffield Airport runway long enough?

James

Oasis Hong Kong Airlines B-LFA due 23/11/06 at Doncaster Sheffield Airport for circuit training between 10:00 and 14:00. Anyone in the north gets a chance to see it up close 😀

My overall opinion is that I think all airlines should be made to put a certain percentage of their profits towards the protection of the environment, rather than penalising individual passengers by adding additional taxes

Now that’s an interesting view. Effectively you are saying you’d like the airlines to pay for your tickets.

1L.

Face it, without air travel the world would be a very different place, and probably would not be able to function properly. People would not be able to visit and experience the vast number of cultures that exist, and most country economys would be severley effected, seeings as the number of visitors effects the, especially those countries that have to rely on tourists.

Yes, half of my relatives are on the other side of the world and without air travel I wouldn’t be able to see them. Even then, I have only seen them roughly 10 times in my lifetime due to the expense and time/hassle it takes to get there. If companies like Oasis are going to be offering low fares for long haul, it means people like myself would be able to see relatives living abroad a lot more often – which would be fantastic.

However, yes, it is plain to see that cheaper fares encourage more people to travel meaning more jets in the air. BUT (as I think I argued in a previous thread), jet engine manufacturers are pushing the limits of economics and are producing cleaner, more efficient engines for new aircraft all the time.

In the mean time however, the world’s populations is growing at a somewhat out of control rate and with this people are (generally) becoming lazier spurred on by advancements in technology. A result of this? One such example is the amount of people world-wide wanting to drive to make trips easier and faster. How many people do you know that take their car to the shops, only round the corner?

As I said, this is just an example and councils are trying to kerb this trend in many countries by encouraging park&rides, car sharing, cheap and readily available public transport. But if the environmentalists continue to harp on about “destructive air travel,” I hope they are also giving the automotive industry just as much grief – if not more. How often to car manufacturers introduce a next generation, ultra efficient engines to power the MILLIONS of cars they churn out?

At last, a reasonsable debate about the impact of aviation on the environment…I did wonder when something like this would take place!

Face it, without air travel the world would be a very different place, and probably would not be able to function properly. People would not be able to visit and experience the vast number of cultures that exist, and most country economys would be severley effected, seeings as the number of visitors effects the, especially those countries that have to rely on tourists.

My overall opinion is that I think all airlines should be made to put a certain percentage of their profits towards the protection of the environment, rather than penalising individual passengers by adding additional taxes…and I also think that big multinational companies should be forced to introduce video confrencing technology so that it would reduce the number of trips that their executives and employees have to take.

And another thought…why can’t a group of scientific boffins come up with a hybrid fuel for aircraft, seeings as we now have them for cars?

I agree with SkyHIGH, I mean in the main I am personally an environmentalist – I do recycle and I do conserve electricity. On the buisness of LC travel i’m split down the middle. Even though it is a good thing: do we really need so many airliners flying to the same place ?

The environmentalists are complete idiots. No airline sets out to lose money, just to spite the environment. If Oasis Hong Kong, or Ryanair, or whoever, can make a profit selling tickets at the price they do then all that this means is that airlines selling tickets at higher prices are either less efficient or offer a better product. It is bizzare that when rail companies offer cheap fares that’s regarded as being positive, and yet when airlines offer cheap fares they are cast as villians.

Andy

Why are they idiots, because they have a different opinion to yours???

Your argument makes no sense, its nothing to do with airlines offering better or worse products, the fact is people are willing to go further afield by flying nowerdays because airlines are offering cheap tickets. The environmentalists are saying this is doing damage to the environment (which it is, a proven fact, and they say we need to do something about this, i.e add tax to airfares.)

Train companies aren’t villanised like airlines because operating a train from say Glasgow to London doesn’t produce the carbon emmissions that a flight from Glasgow to London does….

“However, enviromental groups have express concern about the trend of budget long-haul flights, and say that low price fares do not reflect the true cost of enviromental damage they cause.”

The environmentalists are complete idiots. No airline sets out to lose money, just to spite the environment. If Oasis Hong Kong, or Ryanair, or whoever, can make a profit selling tickets at the price they do then all that this means is that airlines selling tickets at higher prices are either less efficient or offer a better product. It is bizzare that when rail companies offer cheap fares that’s regarded as being positive, and yet when airlines offer cheap fares they are cast as villians.

Andy

Could someone please explain why the BBC thought this paragraph is required in the story of Oasis launch delay?

“However, enviromental groups have express concern about the trend of budget long-haul flights, and say that low price fares do not reflect the true cost of enviromental damage they cause.”

What in the hell do airfares have to do with the enviroment?

Simple! Cheap airfares encourage more people to fly, thus impacting on the environment!

If you look back a decade or so there wasn’t as much demand for flights as there is today, because you didn’t have your Ryanairs, Easyjet and to some extent airlines like British Airways flying for the amounts you can pay today.

If this new airline is offering flights to HK for a fraction of the price of say BA, CX or VS then more people will book the flights and travel when they wouldn’t have done before. Its the same with Ryanair, people can now afford weeks away because airlines have become affordable for all.

This is why environmental groups are worried, they do have a valid point. Whilst it is obviously more convienent to fly it is prooven to be damaging. Thats why website such as…

www.carbonneutral.com

Have been set up.

Could someone please explain why the BBC thought this paragraph is required in the story of Oasis launch delay?

“However, enviromental groups have express concern about the trend of budget long-haul flights, and say that low price fares do not reflect the true cost of enviromental damage they cause.”

What in the hell do airfares have to do with the enviroment?

Not a good start for the little known start-up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6082816.stm

REAL BAD NEWS!!! If only i had known this news earlier today before heading to LGW and standing in the rain all day. 😡