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were dose this end , will i be banned from flying because of my Scottish accent , these people need to get a grip , we are heading down the road that the Americans have gone The road to “Paranoia”
GOD HELP US ALL
THE UNITED STATES OF BRITAIN( and what a state)

No ive been at work. Only going on what has been posted on here. Do fill me in on what the papers say Grey Area ?

Have you not been reading the papers, Softlad? :confused:

Nobody has been for those two reasons.

One thing which is annyoing when i fly, is that when i speak Welsh (my 1st language) with my family on a plane, the dirty looks we get cos of the fact that the other passengers don’t know which language it is, is very uncomfortable.

Nobody should be thrown off a plane, because of the way they look or speak, thats called discrimination, and we cannot stereotype people of the same backround, that the terrorists come from.

People are off loaded on a frequent basis for all kinds of reasons. Just because these men were asian, people jump on the bandwagon to call it racist.

I would hope that if I were on a flight and someone of any colour or creed was acting suspiciously, the cabin crew and the pilots would take the appropriate action. On the otherhand, is it also possible that the two men in question, took it upon their selves to play a sick practical joke?

I would have to say, i’m sticking with the captains decision on this. He is professional and I would hope that he made a professional decision.

Freaking hell this is just stupid i was in london all day yesterday on the tube not one complaint about people of mixed race in fact they were welcomed. Id refuse to fly with a passengers it almost makes me ashamed to be english.

I should add that a few months ago I travelled on a flight which, during boarding, it became apparent that a passenger was behaving strangely – maybe or maybe not a threat to the flight (I’m no expert!), but certainly not exhibiting the normal relatively passive behavior you expect in airport gate lounges and whilst boarding. However, I got onto the flight and sat down without concern, comfortable in my belief that airport security and the gate staff had done their job and using their better judgement than mine had decided that the passenger was OK to travel. However, moments before the doors were closed, two airport staff came down the aisle and escorted the passenger off the aeroplane. The captain then came on the PA and said “Ladies and gentlmen, I’m sorry to have to advise you that there will be a short delay to the departure of the flight. This delay is because we had a passenger on board who we’d rather didn’t travel with us today, and we are in the process of offloading that passenger and their bags”

OK, so that was before the latest incidents, maybe it confirmed my own concerns, but the bottom line is that it is still necessary to trust that airport staff know more about what they’re doing than do you or I, casual passengers. My view hasn’t been changed by the recent incidents.

Andy

The more you think about this incident, the more it becomes apparent that it was a difficult situation to resolve.

Firstly, to counter the arguments of Bmused55 and others – you have no choice but to trust airport security and assume that passengers who have passed through it are “OK”. To do otherwise would require you not to fly, as it isn’t reliable to assume that anyone who “isn’t OK” will show behavior traits that give themselves away – anyone could be a threat, not just those who behave strangely, and thus we have to accept that airport security perform their role reliably.

Secondly, if the situation is as reported, by taking a decision to offload the passengers it could be argued that the captain also undermined airport security screening – unless the decision to offload the two was taken for reasons of flight safety (i.e. passenger riot whilst airborne), then by offloading the passengers the captain has implied he doesn’t trust the security screening either. That is not at all good for the industry.

However, there is some validity to the point that we (or in this case the passengers) have a right to challenge behavior we see as suspicious – we might do this if we saw suspicious in our streets at night, so why not at an airport? Of course, whilst we have a right to challenge suspicious behavior and where we can explain our concerns adequately to have those concerns followed up on, we do not have the right to be the judge or jury – others with more experience of law enforcement must take on that role, and this is where the situation in Malaga starts to become difficult.

The “suspicious” passengers ultimately travelled albeit on a later flight, so in this case it seems reasonable to assume that the passengers worries were investigated, the “suspicious” passengers were checked out and found not to be a threat and allowed to continue on that later flight. However, the problem remains that security checks already performed were undermined by the decision to offload the passengers, and that isn’t at all good for air travel in general – how many more security checks will be questioned needlessly, how many more flights disrupted, how many more innocent people subjected to unnecessary suspicion or scrutiny?

My opinion now is that for the good of all – the airline, the passengers who were worried, the passengers who were offloaded, and for the perceived reliability of air travel security – the two passengers should have been rescreened (again) and then allowed onto the flight. Once re-screened, those passengers who were worried should have been advised that the passengers had been rescreened, were found to be OK, that they were travelling, and that anyone who didn’t like it was welcome to offload themselves. This action would have (a) proven to all the concerned passengers that the “suspects” had been thoroughly screened, and (b) would have emphasised that the airline and the crew still had confidence in the screening process after considering and investigating passenger concerns. I think it important that it had been done like this and the flight delayed by however long it took rather than putting the “suspects” on a later flight to demonstrate that mob rule and passenger prejudice cannot and will not be allowed to take precidence over the normal security screening process.

Andy

I put it down to paranoia. It was the same after Sept 11th with anyone remotley matching the description of those terroists. It’s not fair on the passengers who got refused travel, but how would you feel if you were there and saw two people acting in a suspicious manner ? I for one would have to say something. It’s an unfortunate situation but will speak out if they feel under threat.

………But I still think for the passengers to do that is awful. ……

No argument there!

I fail to see what Monarch has to do with this?
It was the Spanish authorities that removed these men.
If you must blame anyone, blame the prejudice people who labelled these innocent men, and those were the passengers… not Monarch.

Sorry, I heard it was the pilot that wanted them off. My bad I suppose.

But I still think for the passengers to do that is awful. They have held the plane up for 3 hours which costs thousand’s, scaring the other passengers and also humiliating the 2 asian guys, who the heck do they think they are?

I was on a Monarch flight from Corfu a few weeks ago and this Asian guy rushed onto the plane, with a backpack and he also looked very nervous… I didn’t hear anybody complaining.

What is this world coming too? :rolleyes:

I must however disagree with something Mr Mahmood says to defend the two gentlemen.

He called for air passengers to understand that once people were allowed through security “they should be OK”

In a perfect world, perhaps. But the victims of 9/11 and those many more terrorist acts aboard aircraft would liekly disagree.

Disgraceful behaviour by Monarch. If I was working for Monarch in Malaga I would have sent the 2 guys on there way and told anybody that doesn’t want to fly can stay in Malaga for the next flight. I can see the 2 guys sueing Monarch and I can’t blame them!!!

I fail to see what Monarch has to do with this?
It was the Spanish authorities that removed these men.
If you must blame anyone, blame the prejudice people who labelled these innocent men, and those were the passengers… not Monarch.

Disgraceful behaviour by Monarch. If I was working for Monarch in Malaga I would have sent the 2 guys on there way and told anybody that doesn’t want to fly can stay in Malaga for the next flight. I can see the 2 guys sueing Monarch and I can’t blame them!!!

Weren’t these two men acting in a suspicious way though? I’m sure the passengers and the Monarch crew would rather be on the safe side than take the risk – The passengers would most probably have been okay if these men weren’t acting suspiciously.

It makes me ashamed to share my nationality with those passengers.

Moggy

Absolutely scandalous! This is the kind of blind ovine mob mentality that, in an earlier time, saw women burned alive as witches. 😡

I’m firmly of the opinion that those complaining should have been invited to continue their journey by alternative means – without refund.

Call it a Stupidity Tax, if you like.

Been watching this story develop. Its absolutely disgraceful. The two passengers had already been screened by airport security. What point is there having security checks if passengers can make their own minds up? Who are the experts – passengers just looking at other passengers, or the people who are paid to perform the security checks? The captain should have left those that didn’t want to travel behind. Its just not on that Mr & Mrs Chav can influence who travels and who doesn’t – what next, taking the law into their own hands? Those passengers should mind their own business or get off.

Andy

I find that terrible just because of how they look or how they spoke, that people automatically think that they are a bomber or terrorist.
We now live in a country that has a large population of Arabic speaking/looking people and do we think all of them are terrorists now?!