Boeing 787 problems

This thread is starting to omit a slight odour…

So any problems with Airbus and the whole project is deemed to be a failure yet similar / worse problems with Boeing are dismissed as sensationalism.

Rose tinted glasses should not be worn at all times as they may damage your credibility.

(NB it is only a coincidence that this is my 787th post) 🙂

Seems they’ve taken all the bits and bobs that have occured over the entire project to date and made a big hooha about it.

I know for one the bubbling has long been sorted. That was evident in one of the first test fuse sections and was apparently been resolved months ago.
The overweight issue was addressed some weeks ago.
There is no fuselage to test for pressure as yet, again I think that focuses on the first few sections of test fuse, which, call me crazy, are designed to show potential issues.
All the issues are addressed in many press releases and articles over the last year or so.

Sensationalism at its best :rolleyes:

I respect your judgement…put this piece of “over hyped” journolism was only published a few weeks ago….why didn’t the exec at boeing who was interviewed say!…”Yes there have been problems, over the last year and we are ironing out the glitches, Overweight problem solved, computer glitches worked out, quality issues with suppliers on going. and tell the journo he could of got all the infor he needed from the boeing press office” The boeing exec probably had every opptunity to put the whole issue to bed with one swing of the sword…Why didn’t he?…in my own personal opinion he was overall to general in his answers.

Not trying to start an argument with you bemused, and i dont wanna see any airplane fail be it Airbus Boeing Bombardier or Embraer, but something isnt ringing quite true…and i wished to be proved wrong!

I dont think we will ever see a programme without problems , well not in our life time anyway, untill computers can think for themselfs there is always be a person in the loop that will screw it up
Computers are as only good as the Data they are given

Now the boot is on the other foot and Boeing are running into Problems with the 787, which are dismissed,by some as nothing , yet when the A380 designers were haveing similar problems ,Airbus was slated and denounced by the very same Pepole :rolleyes:

Some people really unveil their stong bias when one is unable to at least admit that something is going a little bit off track. Anyways, the wise man (especially the financially not-involved man) can lean back, grab his beer, watch the scene and swith to soccer when it gets boring. People run, people fall, people get up just to fall again. I want to see the program that does not run in problems. Theoretically one could assess the costs conservetively, get the budget, adapt the schedule to the challenges and deliver a product on time and date. I always wonder why “managers” fail in “managing” that. On both sides of the ocean.

A380 and B787 havemany things in common: High number of risk share partners and involved nationalities (no real novelty for Airbus, but for Boeing), no “old” airline as launch customer, demanding schedule, “modern” design techniques. Some errors and misconceptions made designing the A380 are likely to happen with the B787. The A380 was relatively “bad news”-free until the time of its first flight. That doesn’t have to mean much, but from my internal perspective there were no serious (= extremly concerning) problems in 2004. Most things came apparrent later. Some issues were just expensive or time intensive, some were really serious (= safety and authorties sensitive).

The B787 involves more unvalidated technolgies (something Airbus wanted to avoid for the A380). Unlike other programs Boeing needs to validate some things before the first flight. Probably more bad news to follow.

Schorsch,
That I know and under stand ,any new development has its fair share of problems, Look at one of the Greatest airliners in my opinion Concorde,the designers overcoming not just Technical hurdles ,but problems engineered by it Rivals to become a classic, and the A350 will be no different.
Now the boot is on the other foot and Boeing are running into Problems with the 787, which are dismissed,by some as nothing , yet when the A380 designers were haveing similar problems ,Airbus was slated and denounced by the very same Pepole :rolleyes:

What? You mean they built an A350 prototype?
Oh, you mean the A380! Stop comparing a program in its final certification stages to one in its mid developmental stage. Two programs launched many years apart for completely different markets and made in completely different ways.

A380 and B787 havemany things in common: High number of risk share partners and involved nationalities (no real novelty for Airbus, but for Boeing), no “old” airline as launch customer, demanding schedule, “modern” design techniques. Some errors and misconceptions made designing the A380 are likely to happen with the B787. The A380 was relatively “bad news”-free until the time of its first flight. That doesn’t have to mean much, but from my internal perspective there were no serious (= extremly concerning) problems in 2004. Most things came apparrent later. Some issues were just expensive or time intensive, some were really serious (= safety and authorties sensitive).

The B787 involves more unvalidated technolgies (something Airbus wanted to avoid for the A380). Unlike other programs Boeing needs to validate some things before the first flight. Probably more bad news to follow.

Oh my goodness death to the project….its obviously going to fail oh noooo!

See this is what happened with the A350 so I shall go with it 😀

he he 😉

Oh my goodness death to the project….its obviously going to fail oh noooo!

See this is what happened with the A350 so I shall go with it 😀

No matter what way or with coloured Glasses they are suffering Problem just like Airbus, yet it’s OK to sensationalise Problems at Airbus,Well at least Airbus have a Actual Flying Prototype :rolleyes:

What? You mean they built an A350 prototype?
Oh, you mean the A380! Stop comparing a program in its final certification stages to one in its mid developmental stage. Two programs launched many years apart for completely different markets and made in completely different ways.

No matter what way or with coloured Glasses they are suffering Problem just like Airbus, yet it’s OK to sensationalise Problems at Airbus,Well at least Airbus have a Actual Flying Prototype :rolleyes:

One can interpret it his way always. Normally only 10% of the real problems really surface. I can tell you, I had good tune on A380 problem channel. Most issues from some month ago are already solved, noone talks about them today. But at the time of their detection they would have made big waves.

Similar things apply for every design. Whoever believes the Boeing releases that B787 runs “without problems” is an idiot. But to believe that they are doomed is stupid, too. At least we learn from that article some areas of concern and we know that the issues are not marginal.

At a time when Boeing has left itself with little margin for error, the wide-ranging series of glitches could create a domino effect if not resolved quickly.

That is the most important quote from the article. Like the A380 program the B787 doesn’t look very robust, the plans are quite optimistic. Some career-happy business people sign responsible for that. these kind of people can be found everywhere, everytime. Simple engineering judgement like “it takes twice the time, cost double the money and finally weights 10% more” is not fancy any more. Funny, that in the end all products take twice the time, cost double the money and finally weight 10% more.

Seems they’ve taken all the bits and bobs that have occured over the entire project to date and made a big hooha about it.

I know for one the bubbling has long been sorted. That was evident in one of the first test fuse sections and was apparently been resolved months ago.
The overweight issue was addressed some weeks ago.
There is no fuselage to test for pressure as yet, again I think that focuses on the first few sections of test fuse, which, call me crazy, are designed to show potential issues.
All the issues are addressed in many press releases and articles over the last year or so.

Sensationalism at its best :rolleyes: