Qantas A330s

all the 762s are P and W JT9.

AA 2000: Qantas Leases British Airways 767s
By Edward James/Singapore

SINGAPORE (February 23, 2000) – Qantas has leased seven, nearly new, 229-seat Boeing 767-300s from 25% equity partner British Airways for A$650 million over seven years, to meet expanded services within Australia and to Singapore.

While Qantas executives declined to comment on lease details, sources at AA 2000 confirmed the amount and term of the lease from BA.

Analysts see the lease as a cost-effective solution to a capacity shortage. A new 767-300 has a list price of A$180 million.

The aircraft are the first part of a rapid fleet build up to meet increases in demand in Asia.

The BA 767-300s will be used on domestic routes only, releasing some Qantas’ 767-300s for extra services from Brisbane and Perth to Singapore.

The airline has also issued requests to both Airbus and Boeing for the 300-seat A340-500 or Boeing 777-200LR, which are capable of flying from Sydney to Dallas non-stop.

While this is the third time the request has been issued over the past two years, analysts close to the deal say that Qantas will buy this time.

Both Airbus and Boeing have confirmed here that they have responded to Qantas, and airline sources say that a decision will be made in two months on a type, with final contracts being signed by year-end.

Qantas is looking for an initial 10 aircraft, with a total list price of up to A$2.50 billion.

The 777-200LR is considered the frontrunner as it is wider, faster and more economical than the A340-500.

On a non-stop flight from Dallas to Sydney the 777 would arrive at least 35 minutes ahead of the A340, claims Boeing.

Last year Qantas’ archrival Singapore Airlines dumped the A340 for more 777s, after passenger complaints.

Qantas’ oneworld alliance partners – BA, American Airlines and Cathay Pacific – all have large fleets of Boeing 777s.

From what I gathered from the tarmac tour guide, the RR’s powered 763’s were there to stay. Also, I believe QF has both P&W and GE engines on their 762’s.

just a quick note.

VH-OEB, 1 of the Qantas 744 with GE powerplants is from Asiana Airlines, they took these planes due to large traffic numbers during and before the Olympic Games.

the RR powerd 763s are due to be returned to BA once the A330 deliveries are complete. Also Qantas 762 is powerd by P and W engines.

the 762s are due to be retired in the near future.

Nice pick!

The Trents were available at that time for BA, Bhoy. This is why such an uproar ensued when they did, in fact, choose the GE’s for whatever reason they did. Here is the namesake of the thread, taken by yours truly at SYD a few weeks back. My first pic posted on here.

well, the 717’s engines are now classed as Rolls Royce engines, although they started out as a JV, too, hence BR7xx series (they were originally BMW Rolls Royce), and RR did have a ‘shortish’ haul engine in it’s own right in the Tay, which powers the Fokker 100.

and of course MD-80’s are still powered by Pratt & Whitney JT-8D’s, too.

Engines are a strange area.

I find it odd that none of the manufacturers has a comprehensive range. Instead, they farm out smaller engines to JV companies like CFM (GE/Snecma) and IAE (PW/RR??).

Apart from the 757, all the narrow bodies are powered by these JV companies.

With the GE/PW Alliance, it looks like this is happening for the big engines too.

I thought the main reason BA used GE90’s on their early 777’s was that the Trent hadn’t been an option at the time.

But aside from that, given the option, BA do always tend to go for RR:

757-200 (ok, any airline worth their salt would opt for the RB211 on that one… ;))
747-200/400
767-300
later 777’s
and they’re now moving to IAE engines for their A320 fleet, rather than the original CFM.

International Aero Engines, IAE, is, for those who don’t know, a joint venture of RR, P&W, Japan Aero Engines Corp and MTU Aero Engines, while CFM is a joint venture by SNECMA and GE.

Even more interesting is how QF operates all 3 engine types on their 767’s. The -200’s have Pratt’s and GE’s and the -300’s have RR’s and GE’s. The only 3 airlines that standardize on a particular engine manufacturer, it seems, are Lufthansa, United, and Cathay. It’s pretty much guaranteed Lufthansa are going to take GE’s, United are going to take Pratt’s, and Cathay are going to take RR engines unless they don’t have a choice. Look at Singapore, traditionally an exclusive P&W customer, opted for Trents on their 777’s. BA opted for GE’s on their initial batch of 777’s. Thai opted for Trents on their 777’s.

No mystery GD, I thought all the Qantas 744s were RR powered, because all the ones I’ve seen were. I didn’t know they had picked up any 2nd hand ones from Malaysian.

It just seemed strange that QF would plan their fleet around so many different engine types – the less vairety the less the operational and stockholding costs.

That’s an interesting point Mongu, and I asked the same question to the tarmac tour operator at SYD when I took it in August. I don’t think he had a definite answer for me, either. Even before QF started taking delivery of brand new A332’s and the 744ER’s, they had taken delivery of former Malaysian 744’s that were GE powered. Their original 763’s were all GE powered, but then they took the 2nd hand ex-BA 763’s that are RR powered, so that was interesting. The 744ER’s only are offered with the GE engines, they had no choice there. But with the A332’s, they did, and they chose GE’s. Perhaps they are trying to standardize on the GE engine. But if that is the case, why did they take BA’s 763’s with the RR’s, as a favor to them? I’m not sure which engine option they have for the A380, has it been specified yet? Interesting how you can tell the difference between QF’s GE powered 744’s and the ER model. All the ER models have white engine cowlings as opposed to the standard grey.

Qantas’ original 763’s didn’t use RB211’s either, although they leased/bought/whatever some of BA’s 767-336ER’s, which did.

Are the A330’s supposed to replace the 767’s?

On a similar note, seems that Qantas are moving away from RR – their 763s and 744s have RB211s, but the A332s and 744ER’s used different makes. Will they therefore go for the Alliance option on their A380s?

Albeit, without “CityFlyer” titles, I’m sure.

i think some of the 300series will be used on overseas services also.

Those QF A330’s are nice. I got a couple of pics of one at SYD a few weeks back, that I’ll be posting real soon.