Fokker 100 v Boeing 717

Don’t worry greek , it’s just overwork ! 🙂

My bad Hand, I stand corrected. I guess I’ve just been out of it for too long.

Ja Worsley,

I think its safe to say none of them is a sales sucess at the very least.

So which is better? The B717, the F-100 or the Tu-334?
Chew on that one for a while 😉

fokker100 vs B717

the fokker has a more pronounced tail fairing

Greekdude,

Hand 87-5 is correct, Boeing just recently stopped building the 717’s with the eyebrow windows. They weren’t needed and it saved some weight and complexity. Also if the 717 was stretched it would start to compete with some 737 models, and thats probably why you won’t see a stretch version.

Yes , who’s next?

That’s unfortunate.

It would be nice to see the aviation industry taking off in Europe again, to give Airbus some competition and shake up Embraer and Bombardier. I used to think BAe could do it but they have abondoned commercial aviation sadly.

BAe, Fokker, Dornier, Saab – all history.

cheers for the Peter – v interesting that DASA tried to stop it!

Mongu:

The reason that no stretch F100 was made was because of politics and money.

Fokker was developing the F130 when they were taken over by German company DASA. DASA was itself already working on a new 130-odd seater jet. This jet was called “Fax” (if anyone can provide any information, pictures etc I would appreaciate it a lot).

Anyway, DASA did not want competition between the F130 and the Fax. The reason for that (unofficially) is that they were afraid for the competition, since the F130 had a family.

DASA made Fokker design the F70, therefore the F70 was released before the F130.

Even though DASA did not want Fokker to do so, Fokker continued developing the F130 for just in case the Fax project folded. When DASA disposed of Fokker, Fokker quickly introduced the F130 to the catalogues. Not quick enough though, because Fokker went bankrupt before the design could be finished.

I have a picture of this plane in a book, but I am affraid I do not have a scanner. The book is the (Dutch language) book that was released by the Aviodome shortly after the bankruptcy.

Greek , look at one of the last issues ……

I’m not sure greek . I guess I read somewhere that Boeing got rid of this thing on the new models.

I have to check anyway.

The MD-95, errr, B717-200 still has the eyebrow windows Hand, even in the photo you submitted, if you look closely. That has not changed, nor will it. No economic sense in re-designing something like that. The front part of the fuselage looks exactly like the DC-9/MD80/MD90 series; very distinctive.

Mongu – if we look bak it was the F28 that the F100, FK70 was modelled upon, so if fact the F100 is a stretch of the previous design, but i do see what you are getting at!

Perhaps there financial situation after the whole change of production a/c to FK50, 60, 70, 100 was something to do with this?

It’s interesting that both Boeing and Fokker refused to stretch the planes. We’ve debated the merits of a stretched “717-300” before and I still think such a project would be logical.

By contrast, Fokker only produced the shorter F70 which seems to be an odd aircraft to buy you have Regional Jets available to you. I know the F70 predated Regional Jets so I’m not saying it was bad judgement by Fokker, but the lack of a stretched “F130” or whatever was an error in hindsight, I think.

I think that the biggest give away on the F100 and F70/F28 is the “crescent” wing leading edge design,very graceful.

The landing gear on the 717 is nearer the front of the aircraft. Generally 717s look like shrunk down versions of the MD series…at that’s because they are! 🙂

Is this another difference then….the triangle between the tail and the main body?

Its more integral and curved on the 717…..

so there’s your next difference, the Fokker has bigger overwing exits, while the 717 has an extra window between it’s smaller exits.

Here it is …