Concorde Capabilities?

RE: Concorde Capabilities?

>Speaking of rolling a 707 ….
>
>The sleek new Boeing jet, prototype for what would become
>the famous 707 series, was being flown by the project test
>pilot, legendary Alvin “Tex” Johnston. A request from senior
>management had been passed to Tex to bring the Dash 80 down
>for a pass over Lake Washington, where the Gold Cup
>hydroplane races were being held, as a number of important
>airline industry personnel were in attendance. At the
>conclusion of the test flight Tex began a descent to
>maneuver for the flight over the Gold Cup race course. While
>the Dash 80 headed toward the waiting crowd of some 250,000,
>Tex announced to his co-pilot, Jim Gannet, “Jim, I’m going
>to roll this thing over the race course.” The Dash 80 came
>roaring across the lake at 500 feet and as he approached the
>race course Tex pulled the nose up and began a graceful
>barrel roll. Many of the crowd hadn’t even recognized what
>they had just seen when Tex repositioned the airplane and
>came back from the opposite direction, and DID ANOTHER ROLL!
>Aviation buffs in the crowd were astonished but senior
>Boeing management was almost speechless. Many stories have
>circulated about what happened after the event but contrary
>to rumors, Tex was not fired for his “public relations”
>show.
>
>Cheers
>
>Gary

Hi Gary , I have a video of Tex Johnson rolling the 707 prototype(Pioneers of Flight ) and an interview with the man himself , he admits it was’nt quite a barrel roll but a chandelle ,nose up , and start to roll then nose down , same as a barrel roll but you lose a couple of thousand feet and take some of the G’s off to avoid over stressing the airframe .
Anyway you must be as bored as me over on this Forum , I’m going over to the Airforces Forum to try and spark another debate with the Chinese !!!

RE: Concorde Capabilities?

Speaking of rolling a 707 ….

The sleek new Boeing jet, prototype for what would become the famous 707 series, was being flown by the project test pilot, legendary Alvin “Tex” Johnston. A request from senior management had been passed to Tex to bring the Dash 80 down for a pass over Lake Washington, where the Gold Cup hydroplane races were being held, as a number of important airline industry personnel were in attendance. At the conclusion of the test flight Tex began a descent to maneuver for the flight over the Gold Cup race course. While the Dash 80 headed toward the waiting crowd of some 250,000, Tex announced to his co-pilot, Jim Gannet, “Jim, I’m going to roll this thing over the race course.” The Dash 80 came roaring across the lake at 500 feet and as he approached the race course Tex pulled the nose up and began a graceful barrel roll. Many of the crowd hadn’t even recognized what they had just seen when Tex repositioned the airplane and came back from the opposite direction, and DID ANOTHER ROLL! Aviation buffs in the crowd were astonished but senior Boeing management was almost speechless. Many stories have circulated about what happened after the event but contrary to rumors, Tex was not fired for his “public relations” show.

Cheers

Gary
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 29-12-02 AT 11:53 PM (GMT)]Concorde fly upside down?

Never posed the question.

However I do not think its aero-dynamic balance (as well as construction materials & body-structure) would allow upside down flight for any length of time, ala a fighter jet.

Having said, as someone else also said, I think there are a seriecs of snaps showing a 360 ROLL from it’s flight tests during the 70’s.

RE: Concorde Capabilities?

hmmm – wtf is happening in this forum!!! – Kab – just wandering if u say it’s too big to do a barrel roll like an F16 – wouldn’t a scaled up F-16 for example with an identically scalled up thrut ratio be able to do it? – bar the construction materials which at somepoint would snap under the strain

RE: Concorde Capabilities?

Concorde has done some rolls before! In the test stage, it was done! Performed quite well, even rolled it back the other way!

I’ve seen the pics of the 707 flying upside down… pilot was questioned about this when he landed… he said “I’m selling airplanes”. Great publicity stunt!!

RE: Concorde Capabilities?

If it has that power and thrust it doesent meen it can do barrel-rolls like a F 16. The aircraft is to huge to do such things. Even if it tried, before going up 90 degrees because of its design it will stall.

And yea i agree with you… weired question.

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Andrew

Upside down ? no, not possible me ‘ol mate…upset a few too many G+T’s !…besides which, they’d have to make the visor droop the other way

Seriously tho’ not too sure about full inverted flight but yes, it should be possible to at do a 360 roll as long as it was kept under a 1G loading throughout the roll.

Hey, I have on video some nut (Cool actually !) rolling a 707 and also got a piccie taking from inside showing a wing with engines and the ground / runway where the sky should be !

Bob Hoover roll’s all sorts fo stuff while pouring drinks for his passengers…again, I have it on video…but I think I’d call it a day at attempting to loop Concorde!

Am I right in saying that a Lancaster was looped during the war (Allthough its Dihedral on the main wings resembled a rubber powered toy plane when it had pulled out !) and in more recentish times a Vulcan has done the same ?

I reckon every airline should do something on these lines for the long haul flights. Just think, no more DVT cos your legs would be higher than your head so they couldnt get cramped !

I’ll shut up now.

Cheers

Gary