180° reclining seat for every passenger?

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777crazy:

I agree with you completely. For this reason meals will be simple, such as sandwiches and the like—things that don’t need to be hot. Plus, passengers can have permanent access to a self-service snack bar.

I’m sure that many of us would much rather eat a nice sandwich and go to sleep instead of being given the choice of chicken or fish and having to sit for ten hours or so in a cramped seat.

Very good point though. 🙂

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dont forget airlines are only allowed to serve food foe 30 minues after it has been fully heated after this it must be disposed of. their is really not much chance of loading all passegners, taxiing and flying to a suitbale height before this time is up. Also if the flight has more than one meal served meals will have to be heated again and if these were heated were the passengers were it could get very warm in those cabins.

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Jeuneturc007:

In an ABH economy-class cabin there are 10% special accommodations—next to the windows—and 30% of the remaining modules are first level, which would give a total of 40% of modules that could be occupied by elderly or disabled passengers in economy-class cabins. In business-class cabins this percentage would be around 57% first level modules.

Thanks for your interest in the ABH concept; if you have any other queries, I’d be pleased to answer them.

Best regards

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GZYL:

Thanks for your reply, I’m glad that to know that you like the overall idea of the ABH system.

Regarding materials, the company behind the ABH project is AirDesign, they specialize in automotive design and manufacture high precision sport accessories and equipment for automobiles—as well as other products meant for architectural use—that are manufactured with state-of-the-art thermo-set composite plastic materials, like injection structural polyurethane, injection high-density flexible polyurethane, and others. This gives us first-hand knowledge about the range of costs of the materials and mechanisms involved in the construction of ABH modules. The ABH concept’s materials and mechanisms are designed to be simple and of low cost, both in their production and maintenance.

Regards

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Right, the way I picture this is we have 3 tiers of seats in economy class, yes? That’s going to be an absolute nightmare to evacuate the people. The passengers have to worry about getting out of the seat, down tiers of steps, then run to the exit, all in the same time as having to get up and get off, which you do nowadays. What if someone gets stuck on the top tier?? They’re effectively dead, because it’d take too long to have a go at rescuing them!

Oh, another point I thought of, these exotic materials you spoke of, to make the seating lighter than it is now tend to cost a lot. Airlines want to keep their costs down… so i don’t see why they’d buy it!

Interesting concept though… I would like to travel this way… but, I don’t see it happening!!

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 30-10-02 AT 06:52 AM (GMT)]What if you have someone that would refuse to go up the stairs (300 lbs guys, old women, kids) Is this really parctical? I know it would save some lives during crash, then they would all die trying to get out.

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Hi, 777crazy!

Thank you very much for your reply, I’m pleased to see you liked the idea.

Regarding your very good point:

Flight attendants can distribute simple meals in practical containers. These containers can be set inside the modules before passengers come on board or handed to them when they are in their modules.

If you have any other questions about the concept I’d be glad to answer them.

Cheers! 🙂

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Andrew (A330Crazy):

Many thanks for the warm welcome and for your comments about the ABH concept. 🙂

Regarding you concern:

As Andrew M says, this is a sturdy structure, but of course it would have to be made with the best materials and engineering, and it would certainly need to be tested in order to reach the highest levels of safety as possible. I feel I should add that ABH modules contribute to protect passengers from shocks, flying objects, and fire or spraying of fuels, in very much the same way that monocoque-built cockpits of Formula 1 racers protect the pilots, saving their lives in accidents of impressive violence.

Andrew M:

Thank you for your kind reply, I’m glad to know you also liked the idea.

Regarding your points:

Only the most sophisticated composite plastic materials will be used to manufacture ABH modules, these materials are very lightweight and strong. Also, the monocoque construction design, with multiple union/fastening points allows for very light yet highly reinforced and flexible structures. Conventional seats are only attached to the aircraft’s structural elements at one point, which means they must be highly reinforced and, thus, heavier. Moreover, hand baggage compartments in conventional cabins must also be highly reinforced because they are hanging from the ceiling; in the ABH design all hand baggage compartments have multiple union/fastening and support points. This ensures that the ABH design will be at least as light—if not lighter—than conventional seats and hand baggage bins.

Flight attendants can distribute simple meals in practical containers. These containers can be set inside the modules before passengers come on board or even handed to them when they are in their modules.

Only pax in to the sides of the cabin will get a real window seat, but everyone will have a virtual “window”. This can be seen at the end of the Concept section of the ABH website: www.airbornehotel.com

GZYL, Hand87_5, and wysiwyg:

Thank you for your replies and interest in the ABH concept.

This concept has not been tested yet. Therefore, it is not possible to determine with accuracy whether it would be faster for pax to disembark a conventional cabin as opposed to an ABH cabin. However, I feel it is important to highlight that although the ABH cabin design has three levels in economy-class, it also provides three aisles. This alone can prove to be a very important advantage in an evacuation.
In present cabin configurations, it is not possible to leap over seats in order to advance towards the front or rear of the plane, so this leaves just the two aisles for evacuation. Moreover, the design of ABH modules permits passengers to move across the cabin—in three levels—and reach other aisles in case one of them has an obstruction.

Cheers! 🙂

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Or JAA. Good point.

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I doubt that FAA safety rules would allow a such huge time to evacuate an aircraft with a such layout.

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N’ah, I can’t see this happening to be honest. It’s an interesting concept, yes, but if the aircraft crashed, you’re going to have panicking passengers falling down those stairs all over the place, trying to get off the aircraft.

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A real good idea ,but for cabin crew its gonna be a pain in the arse to serve the in-flight meal: constantly going up and down steps !!!

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I do disagree with A330’s comments. I cant comment on the structure as there is no living model but I would say that it looks very sturdy.

I am sure the CAA,JAA or FAA would approve such as design ONLY if it was secure enough in a cabin.

I am sure a seatbelt with three points (same as cars) will not get in way of sleeping as I have slept in the car a few times on the road!! Perhaps it would be wise to have a pull down shutter?

Finally, it is a generally good idea but the only flaw, as I said, could be the enginerring of it using light materials as surly it would ahve to weigh the same as a normal seat to make it viable weight wise but how do the crew serve meals to the third level in a 747?

Mind you I would hope there was a window seat available for one of these in Economy but it there wasnt this might safe money as they dont need to install Windows!

Maybe an airliner crazy enough for this is Virgin Atlantic as they are putting a Gym on the A380!

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 26-10-02 AT 11:17 PM (GMT)]Let me first start by saying welcome to the forums, nice to have another new member on board. 🙂

A good concept, but with one major problem. Hope you don’t mind me commenting?

With all the seats being stacked one on top of another like you have composed in your idea, if there was an incident involving the aircraft, for example a crash, or a turbulent landing, there could be many injuries.

For a start the seating arrangement could collapse, causing a crush in the aircraft, resulting in it being harder to escape the aircraft. Perhaps if the top level was taken off, so it was down to just two levels then there may not be such a risk?

But the actual concept that you have proposed here, a 180′ reclining seat, is a good idea, that I’m sure will help reduce the DVT threat on Passengers.