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Thanks BB 🙂

“We who grew up tall and proud, in the shadow of the mushroom cloud.
Convinced our voices can’t be heard, we just want to screem it louder and louder”! – Queen from the song Hammer to Fall

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Why dont try pppune,they have sections in their messageboard so you can ask people from that field.i think you go to www.pprune.org and go to the messageboard and find the regional aircraft section and ask its not unusual to find pilot there .John nicol who was shot down in the gulf, posts there.it might be useful to you. regards bartboy

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Yes it is a model, a model of the pick above!

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the last one looks like a picture of a model, or is it the real thing?

JW

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Thanks Rabs

I happen to like the plane, I have pics of the cival varrient and they are wonderful to look at, I’ll post some!

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1) i likie the armaemnt
2) profit margin – ha 2% is great, don’t get involved in the motor trade, less than 1%.

good luck ja

rabie :9

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quite an ungly aircraft isn’t it

JW
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Richard I too apologise!
Please await my email 🙂

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Convinced our voices can’t be heard, we just want to screem it louder and louder”! – Queen from the song Hammer to Fall

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No I wasn’t having a go at all, and I wish you every luck in the future, but I know exactly how comlex the industry is, with profit margins as low as 2% at many companies. As a result I just thought that seeking expert advice may save time and money in the long run, there is indeed more to consultancies than you seem to think.

I was a little hurt at your implications that I am just an “aircraft spotter” who could easily come up with a J31/32. I do actually have a vast knowledge of the industry, not only the planes, but also the business. If you wanted to get into a discussion on planes then it wouldn’t be a problem though, I could indeed have easily quoted all the aircraft you mentioned, it just seemed that your expectations were set rather high.

Apologies once again.

Richard

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 13-02-02 AT 09:34 PM (GMT)]1. I’m not trying to set up a major airline, just a “Hopper” service between major town centers in regional areas of my state! The question of having the experience to run such a venture, well the government who is helping me get this running seem to think I do! They’ve looked at my resume and all my past experience and determined that I seem to have the ability to follow through on this 🙂

2. Why ask people here, simple, cause what I think about an aircraft is all well and good, but people already in the industry and alot closer to the source, might have a different oppinion or think in ways that I haven’t thought of. Thus by asking people here, I avoid salesman tactics and government burocrasies, whilest still expanding my own awareness of products available! Too simply say that since the DHC-6 is used in the same role and has the capabilities that I require, isn’t really informing me about what else is out there that can do the same job now is it?

3. Specs- As I said above the Twin Otter can do all the things I need, but I need a minimum of 19 seat and able to land in around 820 meters and take off in around 610 meters and be able to use grass strips dur to narrow nature of most of the airfiels I am looking at using! So the Raytheon/Beach 1900D is right out 🙁

Oh and thanks for the appology, at first it seemed that you just had sour grapes! But I personally think that consultants are a bad thing and that if a boss can’t interview people one on one, especially in a small business, well then that company is doomed from the get go! That’s just how I feel, I mean no offence by it! But in our society today, we’re always trying to find someone else to do the job for us and that way if they stuff up, it’s their head that rolls! A person needs to stand up for all that they are responcible, we’ve let the concept of CYA take us for a ride for too long now!

“We who grew up tall and proud, in the shadow of the mushroom cloud.
Convinced our voices can’t be heard, we just want to screem it louder and louder”! – Queen from the song Hammer to Fall

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I dont know about this Richard.

Consultancies are truly wonderful things and I wish you every luck with your chosen career but, lets face it, even a mere enthusiast could have come up with the Jetstream 31 and a quick scan of BAe’s asset management site could tell you that there are plenty out there, including two of the upgrade Jetstream 32EP hot n’high variants (which may be more applicable to Ja’s environment) available for lease.

Further more a quick net surf could pick out sites like www.airtrading.com which has a fairly wide scope of available aircraft like DHC-6’s, Shorts 330/360 or EMB-110/120’s in either passenger or cargo configs. A futher inquiry on the net can identify the offices, for example, of Embraer Australia. A lot of this a person with a bit of knowledge could cover without resorting to “potentially” costly consultants.

Regards,
Steve

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My comment above (as quoted below) was not meant to upset anyone, so I appologise now if you feel I have been unfair to you. If you really stop to think about it you should understand what I mean because aircraft selection and purchase is a specialised topic. Richard

“Why are you asking people on AirlinerWorld Forum
what they think of aircraft, when basically, few of them
will have the knowledge necessary to make decisions on
aircraft spec/performance/costs?”

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Russian Aircraft take LONG periods of time to be certified in their homeland, and even under slight commmercial pressure very rarely get their civil approval under foreign governing bodies (ie. CAA, FAA and JAA). I’m not sure what options you are looking at for fitting the aircraft out, but it seems unlikely that the standard specification would allow you to meet performance and reliabiltity standards to be set by competitors (I vaguely remember reading your idea..is it to set up an airline in Australia?).

Now what I’m confused about (as someone who is currently in the process of interviews to become an Aviation Consultant) is why you don’t have much idea of what you are doing? Do you have the minimum 3 years experience normally required to run an airline? Have you moved towards getting the necessary approvals? Why are you asking people on AirlinerWorld Forum what they think of aircraft, when basically, few of them will have the knowledge necessary to make decisions on aircraft spec/performance/costs? Maybe you should consider contacting an Aviation Consultancy for help, and then maybe an airline about using their AOC until you get approval. That way things may move along more quickly.

Aircraft wise, If you are running a passenger airline then maybe you should look at the vast nubers of 19 seat aircraft now floodin the deserts of America..there are loads of BAe Jetstream 31/32s going spare and there are some very reasonable lease rates available out there at the moment.

Richard

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Brutal honesty here Ja, taking into consideration that my field isnt really civvy aircraft either, the Su-80 looks wonderfully smart, but, according to Flugrevue isnt going to be certified in mother Russia until sometime next year.

After that I think questions about spares and maintenance support would bother me a bit – how many Sukhoi affiliated maintainers are there in your part of the world pal?

What exactly are youre requirements in pax/payload/range?

cheers,
Steve