The sonic cruiser

RE: The Sonic Cruiser

Boeing is pretty sure about the succes of the Sonic Cruiser. Shall we tell them they’re wrong? 😀

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RE: The Sonic Cruiser

Increased capacity is what many airlines are looking for these days – especially between city pairs which are host to congested airports, such as London and New York. This is one reason why the A380 has become a reality. I really don’t know if the Sonic Cruiser will be a hit – It’s too early to tell. Though several major airlines have expressed an interest in the project, I wouldn’t dare speculate on how this new Boeing will perform. Time will tell.

RE: The Sonic Cruiser

Well….i am with Boeings SC project. Why to have all the luxuries like the A380 is providing when you can have a jet going faster and reducing the travel time by a significant margin. Theres no use of turning planes into palaces and treating the passengers like sultans, majority wont like this, for me speed is far more beter than size. If you have speed, no need of huge sized machines. I dont know why most of the people appose the Sonic Cruiser project. Personally i am not at all in favour with the A380 project. They are planning whole rooms in that machine, if a person is looking of that luxurie he might as well take a cruise, a person will want air travel to be as fast as possible, so that these needs should not occur…..otherwise no use of airtravel!

RE: NO

Oh yeah, that explains a lot. Maybe they should update their press releases a bit.

RE: NO

Info is from the Boeing website. 🙂

RE: NO

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 24-03-02 AT 10:21 AM (GMT)]The SC looks like a science fiction airliner, well it isn’t. It’s not that fast, the only advantge it has over other airliners it can reach heights up to 40000 meters, so it doesn’t have to think about the other air traffic (which is at 30000-33000 feet).

I don’t know where you got that info, Glenn, but they must have mixed it up with the space shuttle, because one hour between Heathrow and JFK, what are we waiting for? 15 % faster is not much, this saves you one and a half hour on a flight from Paris to Kangarou-country (Sydney). 23 hours instead of 24, both are a torture anyway, only I’m not willing to pay more for that one hour you save. I thought the sonic cruiser was supposed to be a totally new airliner, fast, cheap … I think the Boeing team spend more time on the artists impressions of the SC than on the drawing boards and blue prints.

RE: NO

OK, some people pay $7000 trip to the US on Concorde, but how many? There are 200 seats per day up for grabs! Only 14 Concordes were ever bought! While the SC will not be as fast or cost as much as Concorde, it will cost more than a normal airliner and will people be willing to pay it?

In a world where the no-frills, cheap ticket airlines are doing so well and so much congestion at the major airports I just can’t see a huge demand for a (very) slightly faster small – medium aircraft.

I agree with GeForce that the A380 is the way to go and by the looks of the figures above, that will have a faster speed than modern airliners.

NO

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 23-03-02 AT 07:23 AM (GMT)]The Sonic Cruisers is only about 15% faster than the airliners of today. That’s not such an improvement. If it is an improvement at all, because we’ll have to pay more, and the SC will use more fuel. The plane looks great, but I’m not willing to pay 50 % more.

The future is for the A-380, I’m sure of it. 820 passengers, relativelly cheap. That’s what we all want. Boeing should have continued on the developpement of the B-747X. 2008 will be the year Airbus finally catches up with Boeing … and beats it.

RE: The Sonic Cruiser

Many people put significant value on speed even in their daily lives like fast cars on express ways, high speed rail systems and speed events are all the rage everywhere so the sonic cruiser may have potential. People with the money shell out $7000. US to fly the Concord and while the premium on a sonic cruiser ticket would not be as great, it may appeal to enough folks to make it an economical project. It will be interesting to see if Boeing can break the mold as all of the current aircraft in the 100-400 seat range are pretty boring IMHO.

Regards

RE: The Sonic Cruiser

>This Boeing will only go a bit faster than regular jets.

The Sonic Cruiser’s cruise speed is quoted at Mach 0.95-98 or about
612-631 knots. Lets compare this to some of the ‘other’ jets.

Max. cruise speeds;

747-300/400 = 507 knts
737-600/700/800 = 506 knts
777 = 499 knts

A320 = 487 knts
A330 = 500 knts
A340 = 494 knts
A380 = 547 knts+

Il-86 = 512 knts
Il-96 = 469 knts

Tu-154 = 504 knts
Tu-204 = 448 knts

So, other than the A380, the SC will be up to 100 knts or more faster in cruise at altitude than most existing or serving airliners in future. Over a lengthy trip this will make a difference, not huge, as the diagram points out, perhaps only an hour or two here or there, but faster all the same.

Regards, Glenn.

RE: The Sonic Cruiser

The Sonic Cruiser is not such a terrific and fast machine. I am affraid the times shown in the map is simply imagination. This Boeing will only go a bit faster than regular jets. Why there should be a contradiction between fast and big?. I still think 12 hours on a jet is pure torture. it seems that speed hasn´t grow since the jet era. We need a new Concorde at Match 3, not this Sonic Cruiser. They could have invented something much faster.

RE: The Sonic Cruiser

It will be interesting to see how this works out. Airbus are building big and Boeing are seemingly developing speed. The last time speed went up against size… speed lost!! To develop a supersonic transport will cost a lot of money. You will also have to develop a new engine aswell… because efficient supersonic transport is impossible with the current level of technology.

RE: The Sonic Cruiser

I can’t see it catching on myself. If the aircraft goes faster, it must use up more fuel with fewer passengers and therefore airlines will have to charge more to use this aircraft than ordinary aircraft.

Now the question is: How much more? How much more (if any) would you be willing to pay to cut just 1 hour off of a flight to New York?

It could perhaps work for a smaller, first class market, but I can’t see airlines ordering hundreds of this aircraft.

RE: The sonic cruiser

Flying above mach 0.85 will increase the fuel flow to unexceptible levels. So I don’t think the Cuise speed will be much higher then mach 0.85

JW

RE: The sonic cruiser

Crusing at Mach .85 or so dosent seems to excite me. I think the A320 flyes almost the same speed according to a book i have of Janes.

RE: The sonic cruiser

The Airplane would be subsonic around mach 0.98 or so instead of 0.83 or so. Most interesting airplane.

JW

RE: The sonic cruiser

Maybe not so bad, because believe me, the A-380 is not going to sell either as no airport (which doesn’t want to spend much money) can provide the necessairy accomodations for this aircraft. And maybe the future is supersonic, but there should be a good marketing to promote the new supercruiser and not like the concorde or the Tu-144 …

Greetings
Geforce