Macedonia, finally someone in Europe with b*lls

Here’s a very simply solution to solve the immigration crisis. (By the way, they’re not “migrants”, but illegal immigrants, regardless if they’re from the (Eastern) EU or not… The people of the UK never had the option to be a part of the EU in the first place.):

1) Get out of the EU. Membership isn’t needed.

2) Introduce an immigration system based on what Australia has. Problem solved. What was that? You’re from a worn torn country, or from a ghetto in Eastern Europe, or even from a rich family in China, or Japan & all? Ok, no worries. Just a few questions: Do you speak basic English? Do you have at least Level-1 in Adult Literacy and Numeracy, in writing and in speaking? Do you have full time work (must be a trade) or education waiting for you for the first day you enter the country? Do you have your own home already bought and ready to be moved into? Do you have a 100% clean criminal record? Tax, health insurance, work/education permits, etc. etc. etc. etc.? No?… Sorry, not interested. Try somewhere else. (Same goes for all nationals) Next!

And no, I’m not being racist, unfair or anything like that. If they don’t contribute to the UK then they’re not welcome, how hard can it be. Also, I’m not ar$ed about ‘Ooooh you can’t do that, try to change one’s mind*’, I’m not going to think otherwise.

I’ve been wanting to work (Musician – that is well received that offers more than its fair share of work and something the particular State has plenty of professional opportunities for) in the US, California. I have a trade, I will be able to contribute to the US, I have work, housing, health insurance etc. already available and the financial qualities, 100% clean criminal record, I have the relevant sponsorships from professionals and US based companies. I meet the criteria to be able to be there, yet, it is enormously, mind boggingly difficult to even get my foot in the door… Am I finding it to be discrimination, unfair, racist? No I’m not, because I respect their policies. And before someone says, ‘Uuuurgh well you don’t have a war torn country to go back to.’ Well, maybe I don’t, but that’s just life, isn’t it.

If the UK can introduce the same kind of policies and show some balls & stand up to EU bureaucrats that decide for us. Then this country will be that much more better.

John

Just attempting to inject some balance, that’s all. It would not of course occur to you or many here that they might just prefer to stay in Germany!! Germany has been a sponge for immigrants in large numbers for many years – the Turks used to be the problem.

I wonder if Cameron and Co realise we are the laughing stock of the world by being so soft on the way “He” is failing to get to grips with this problem.It reminds me of the writings on the Statue of Liberty in the USA.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Charlie, you’re being deliberately obtuse !

The ‘Germans’ that might or might not emigrate to Britain are not ethnic Germans but simply those that have acquired German nationality having previously arrived from Syria or Iraq. You don’t see a rush of ‘Germans’ migrating to Britain ? Just give it a bit of time. But, then again, will we ever know ?

We do not appear to record numbers entering from outside the EU so, we certainly won’t be counting heads of those popping up from inside.

Not quite. Once they become German citizens, they are free to come and live here. I’m sure that fact is not lost on them.

I don’t see a rush of Germans migrating to the UK – other Europeans perhaps, but not Germans…

The difference is, the Germans have room for them. Our population density is already far too high, and that isn’t allowing for future population growth.

Ah, tell that to the Germans!! Your second point is a fallacy.

now if other Countries in the EU decide to let them in then fairplay to them.

Not quite. Once they become German citizens, they are free to come and live here. I’m sure that fact is not lost on them.

Quite so – Germany is now estimating 800,000 asylum seekers this year. Our problems rather pale into insignificance beside those…..

The difference is, the Germans have room for them. Our population density is already far too high, and that isn’t allowing for future population growth.

Think you’re more than a little harsh there, most of those people appear to be refugees who have fled the fighting in Syria and yes there are families in there, unlike the gangs at Calais who appear to be mostly male and frankly many are purely economic migrants, clearly like most I don’t know all the facts, but certainly many of the people fleeing the fighting had no wish to do so, they really had to get out in order to stay alive, there is a difference.

They are not fleeing squat, the fleeing from fighting part was over the borders and into Greece, after that they are not fleeing from anyone, they have made it to safety, now if other Countries in the EU decide to let them in then fairplay to them.

Quite so – Germany is now estimating 800,000 asylum seekers this year. Our problems rather pale into insignificance beside those…..

Tony T,

100% behind you on this.

Kos is another example. So called immigrants pass into Turkey (safe haven!) then expect the Greek government in Kos to welcome them and allow direct passage to the UK. This is not how the international law stands but I can understand the migrants wishes.

As usual; beware what you wish for!

It appears you are suggesting that ALL of those landing on Kos wish to end up in UK is to fly in the face of statistics and reason. As has been shown by the mass exodus across Macedonia ( by the way Tony,the Macedonians seem to have lost their appendages don’t they) they are heading for Germany or Sweden.

Tony T,

100% behind you on this.

Kos is another example. So called immigrants pass into Turkey (safe haven!) then expect the Greek government in Kos to welcome them and allow direct passage to the UK. This is not how the international law stands but I can understand the migrants wishes.

As usual; beware what you wish for!

Tony T,

100% behind you on this.

Kos is another example. So called immigrants pass into Turkey (safe haven!) then expect the Greek government in Kos to welcome them and allow direct passage to the UK. This is not how the international law stands but I can understand the migrants wishes.

As usual; beware what you wish for!

S.F. Just HOW do we “Check, and know just who we admit”?. Just think of all the migrants we have living here in the U.K. and who are able to collect childrens allowances, even when their children are living still in their parents Country of origin. I wonder just how many of our Benefits people have actually gone to Poland, Ukrainia, Lithuania to check their claims out?. My assumption would be a great fat ZERO, but Hey, Ho, we have so much money we just have to give it away to all and sundry.Just ask, and ye shall receive.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

By far the majority of those collecting benefits for children and others not living in this country are low paid EU migrant workers, why can they or do they do this, because our own government’s utter stupidity, check around other EU countries, it’s only us who are too damn soft on this.

You will find that many EU countries are actually more generous when it comes to benefits than we are, but in most cases after a qualifying period of living and working in that particular country, saw an interview with a Brit who had moved with his family, to Germany to work, lost his job after 2+ years, when asked why he didn’t return to the UK, his response was that he was better off where he was, plus felt he had a much better chance of finding work, also added that anyone with ideas of moving to Germany and just signing on for benefits to forget it, as it doesn’t work like that, it isn’t always as the press would have us believe.

Our checks on who enters this country are hopeless, did you know out of all foreign criminals convicted in this country, in the region of 80-90% already have criminal convictions in their home country, but we let them in, then thanks to our ambulance chasing lawyers we can’t even send them home.

S.F. Just HOW do we “Check, and know just who we admit”?. Just think of all the migrants we have living here in the U.K. and who are able to collect childrens allowances, even when their children are living still in their parents Country of origin. I wonder just how many of our Benefits people have actually gone to Poland, Ukrainia, Lithuania to check their claims out?. My assumption would be a great fat ZERO, but Hey, Ho, we have so much money we just have to give it away to all and sundry.Just ask, and ye shall receive.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Some strange ideas on here, yes, attempted illegals trying to enter this country are prone to losing their ID papers, but most of the immigrants/refugees who have entered through Greece, have registered in Greece requiring ID, are now theoretically free to move across most of Europe under the Schengen agreement, (which we are not party to), there appears to be a lot of confusion between economic migrants who believe that setting foot in the UK is the answer to their problems and those who have been driven from their homes, jobs, business’ and possessions, heard one chap being interviewed the other night, he owned a haulage company, had a very nice home and lifestyle, had with him his wife, three children, all ID docs and pics of his home and business, a small sum of money, but no-where to go, what do you want this guy to do?, go home which is now in the hands of ISIS? take his chance with any of the other fighting groups?.

This guy was just one voice among thousands, but how many similar stories are there.

Most certainly we need to check and know just who we admit, we won’t do that by attempting to lock the door, we can only do that by getting involved and helping where and when we can, very difficult for us when our present government has cut Border Control staff numbers, the very people who are are the front line in stopping undesirables, remember many of those who manage illegal entry do not claim asylum, they simply vanish into the black labour market, much, much worse than taking in immigrant/refugees through the front door.

Or in the case of the UK settled at a place within the UK territories we deem fit… ie South Georgia, no one will persecute them there.

Look at the nutter in Paris and the shooting, sorry, but without controls on population migration like this, you simply cannot control who is crossing your borders, be they legitimate refugees
or the likes of ISIL suicide bombers / terrorist gunmen etc.
I just hope those with the moral stance (or their families) do not finish up at the end of a knife wielding madman who has slipped
in through the borders as an illegal due to that moral stance.

Hi All,
What nobody has mentioned is the fact that they all destroy their identity papers from whatever country they are from so they cannot be deported back to, surely somebody should change the rules that if you want asylum or whatever you must keep your identity papers in tact other wise you’ll be shipped back to the country each is claiming they are running from…..:confused:

Geoff.

My memory must be playing tricks; weren’t you advocating bombing ISIL into oblivion only a few weeks ago…

…apparently ISIL haven’t harmed a fly now so presumably we can ignore your calls for military action?

Tony,

As usual, your commonsense is to the fore. When, on rare occasions, these ‘refugee migrants’ are asked what kind of persecution they are fleeing, they give, according to the reports I’ve listened to, an account that is completely false.

When subsequently, their story is checked back in their country of origin, there is a complete absence of any kind of evidence of persecution from any quarter.

Over time, I’ve yet to hear of any clearly authenticated and supported stories of maltreatment. The entrenched suspicion is that they are all really economic migrants who are pleading ‘persecution’ status to avoid re-patriation.