Piper down near Oban

Can I just point out that there is no such thing as P2 in a Cherokee.

There was a P1 with a lapsed medical (by a couple of months) and two passengers.

None of which detracts from the fact that this appears to have been a very, very poor piece of airmanship and the perpetrator has paid the price.

Moggy

Perhaps being drunk is a simplification of the situation, but he was ‘legally impaired’ for the purpose of driving a vehicle and certainly flying a plane. Eight hours bottle to throttle is not a fairy tale. If you do it once and get away with it, you will do it again, until it catches up with you.

http://www.courttv.com/archive/legalcafe/lifestyle/drunk/drunk_background.html

Steady on Newforest

The flying drink limit is a ¼ that of the drink drive limit, 100mg is not an excessive amount, to say they were drunk is just a ridiculous statement, I have just had a large glass of white wine, I’d imagine now that my alcohol content in my blood is over the drink drive limit, let’s say 99mg? am I drunk? of course I’m not drunk, do I feel like I’ve had a drink? not in the slightest, do I drink lots? no, because I may lose my job.
I’m not condoning drinking then flying, but they were not drunk, the lady had ½ the drink drive limit in her blood, this equates to about ¾ of a pint of beer?

As usual this was an avoidable chain of events that went sadly wrong, the usual “mess with aviation and it will bite you up the ar$e” phrase springs to mind, but he wasn’t drunk.

Pilot was drunk, no licence, P2 had no licence, what a stupid tragedy.

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/687696?UserKey=0

How about we settle for any flight outside the local area?

Possible,

But how do we define ‘the local area’?

Moggy

Mike, speaking as former RAF air traffic bod , there is a much simpler system which we used when a flight plan was not filed. We phoned the destination and stated callsign , type, pob and ETA . If an aircraft was not in contact with the destination at the ETA we followed a sequence of actions based on time overdue.This system has been in use for many years and works well.

I do not believe that the current UK system could cope with every landaway movement generating a flight plan and would be tricky where the departure point has no access to good comms to file a plan although I am aware an airborne flight plan can be filed.

It is easy to leave a route and eta with a friend and tell them who to contact if overdue.In my club we leave route details etc on a wall board as a reference.And all the club aircraft have ELBs.

That sounds even better. Far less bureucratic(sp?) I think it highly likely that you are correct , the UK system probably couldn’t cope.
Oops! it appears I’ve hit a sore spot here. sorry guys. How about we settle for any flight outside the local area?

If you want to, why not?

But that has nothing to do with making it mandatory for every flight.

Moggy

What about if flying over inhospitable terrain as I suggested?

I think flight plans should be mandatory for any flight

No bloody way.

We need less legislative meddling and red tape, not more. 😡

Moggy

The family were returning from a 31st wedding anniversary celebration.:(

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=572922007

Mike, speaking as former RAF air traffic bod , there is a much simpler system which we used when a flight plan was not filed. We phoned the destination and stated callsign , type, pob and ETA . If an aircraft was not in contact with the destination at the ETA we followed a sequence of actions based on time overdue.This system has been in use for many years and works well.

I do not believe that the current UK system could cope with every landaway movement generating a flight plan and would be tricky where the departure point has no access to good comms to file a plan although I am aware an airborne flight plan can be filed.

It is easy to leave a route and eta with a friend and tell them who to contact if overdue.In my club we leave route details etc on a wall board as a reference.And all the club aircraft have ELBs.

In this instance, I fear the filing of a flight plan would not have influenced the outcome of this crash. By all accounts the deaths of those on board occurred as a direct result of the crash. That doesn’t mean that doesn’t mean I’m against filing flight plans in fact I think flight plans should be mandatory for any flight, at least the destination would have some idea when to instigate overdue proceedure.
Nonetheless my condolences to friends and relatives on their sad loss

No legal requirement to file flight plans? Doesn’t mean you don’t have to. Don’t some European countries insist for VFR?

I think I shall, if flying over inhospitable terrain in the future, file a flight plan. Might not save me, but it would help the family know sooner.

Apparently the weather was not good on departure.:(

I have seen a report that the a/c was G-JMTT, previously well known at Goodwood as G-BMHM.

An Arrow 3 apparently

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6543373.stm

According to a thread on another forum, it was an Andrewsfield based Aircraft.
Sad loss

Sad news.

Looks like the aircraft was headed for Andrewsfield.

A based aircraft?

Moggy