My 2 years were up on the 7th July, I kept on to my flying club about getting it revalidated, I had all the relevant criteria for it so a simple form is all that needed filling out, I kept on to them about doing it, they said ok bring it down, so I left it a couple of weeks (still had plenty of time) then I phoned up, the guy on the desk had left,there is a woman now, and she was very non commital, saying “well all instructors are busy” ” we can’t do it, phone our other club” I kept saying all I wanted was 5 minutes, anyway I took it down to them after the date had expired, left it with them as they “didn’t have time”, she then phones me up and says I cannot revalidate as the date had passed, and now I have to do a skill’s test, which is Thursday, last time I flew was the end of May due to my ATPL studies :(, I know it was my own fault, I should have been more authoratitivein getting them to do it but I was a little naive to think I could get it done after the date had expired, time to buy a copy of LASORS me thinks
Dean.
By: Skymonster - 14th August 2005 at 13:49
I think its disgraceful that any school or club cannot find the five minutes it takes to complete the renewal paperwork. I think, if it was the club I used, I would have politely reminded them that if they wanted any more business from me they should find the few minutes needed to keep me current (admittedly the FTO I use is very good at making sure the paperwork gets done in a timely manner).
Furthermore, if the school/club offered to backdate a licence renewal in contravention of clearly defined rules, I’d also think twice about doing any more business with them – if they illegally backdate licence renewals, what else do they backdate (CofAs, insurance, etc???).
Andy
By: Deano - 11th August 2005 at 14:18
Blue Robin, I’m based at Filton now, did the test today, went ok, my flying certainly showed I am out of practice, but on the whole just minor little things which need brushing up on.
The test cost me £220, so quite an expensive day considering all they had to do was sign a form which took 3 minutes, and that included printing it out from the CAA website, but I suppose the positive to come out of it was I got friendly with the examiner and he gave me his number should I need to chat & talk regarding my CPL/IR etc, always good to have contacts.
Dean
By: AFH10 - 10th August 2005 at 09:53
And you always send the form off the very day you sign it?
Fair enough.
Moggy
Yes.
Direct quote from LASORS 2005
‘If intending to revalidate by flying experience, the Certificate of Revalidation must be signed before the expiry date of the previous rating has passed otherwise the SEP/TMG rating renewal requirements of F1.5 will apply.’
The CAA are VERY clear on this point at all the examiner seminars I’ve attended and the form was introduced to stop cowboys backdating.
By: Melvyn Hiscock - 10th August 2005 at 09:32
It doesn’t alter its legality Moggs. I snuck in late on the last day with mine and was told that I would have had to have had the test the next day if I had been any later. There is a cut off point, otherwise there would be no point. I am sure some places will bend the rules but rules is still rules.
By: Moggy C - 9th August 2005 at 22:54
Absolutely, as an examiner I would never backdate it and a form has to be sent to the CAA when it is signed anyway.
And you always send the form off the very day you sign it?
Fair enough.
Moggy
By: AFH10 - 9th August 2005 at 22:33
Shouldn’t that read “any half-decent club would have illegally backdated it for you”?
A decent club would have signed it.
Absolutely, as an examiner I would never backdate it and a form has to be sent to the CAA when it is signed anyway.
By: BlueRobin - 9th August 2005 at 19:13
Moggy, Melvyn is indeed correct. Mitigation does not appear to be recognised in the FCL rules.
http://www.wellaviate.co.uk/html/gofly/jarreval.htm explains what Dean has to do.
Quote: “…You only need to undertake a proficiency check with an examiner, which is a test like a club checkout with the usual stalls, steep turns, EFATOs, PFLs etc. It is not a full GFT but there is a pass or fail mark given.” If you are current, the voluntary pre-training part could be gotten away with.
What the above guide does not say is to change clubs! If the hitler on the desk loses the business money, it’s up to the owner to figure out why she can’t organise herself and sort the situation out. You could try reasoning with the latter or indeed the CFI, or just walk. SEP in thise case means “someone else’s problem”!
Whereabouts are you based Dean?
By: Melvyn Hiscock - 9th August 2005 at 18:24
Any halfway decent club would have backdated it for you 😡
Be a bummer if you flunked the skills test huh?
Moggy
Shouldn’t that read “any half-decent club would have illegally backdated it for you”?
A decent club would have signed it.
By: Moggy C - 9th August 2005 at 17:04
Any halfway decent club would have backdated it for you 😡
Be a bummer if you flunked the skills test huh?
Moggy
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