So ,if a child goes up to a animal tugs at it’s fur,makes a strange noise etc and it reacts it’s the animals fault?

You want me to say it again…?

YOUR FAULT. You allowed a dangerous situation to develop. You did not train your dog properly. You allowed a child to go near your dog without understanding what could happen; you wouldn’t allow a kid to run around with a Samurai sword unsheathed, why let your dog?

Derekf did ask how babies fitted into your chosen scenario.

They don’t, so he is ignoring any possibility that disagrees with his position – ie children are always to blame, whatever.

In the 30s eugenics was seriously discussed by many…and not just Nazis.
If 2ist century society does wants to continue to be a welfare state, at some point money is going to run out unless some attempts are made to curb the part of society that takes more than it contributes.
I’m not calling these measure, but at some point….it will probably become necessary.

So the kind of political viewpoint that encourages this extreme measure…what might you call it? One that allows a section of society to become useless, wasted, unnecessary, undervalued even…?
I can guess your angle, since you chose to ignore that the Nazis picked people that they regarded as worthless – Jews, Slavs, East Europeans and Russians, the handicapped, the ‘sexually deviant’, anyone who opposed them – and chose that which you regard as worthless in todays society – a welfare state.
It is always easiest to pick on those who weld no power, who have no position in society with which to defend themselves, just as it is easy to ignore them and encourage their worthlessness in your friends and associates by doing little or nothing to help them become worthwhile members of society – maybe by the creation of jobs so that they can earn money and lift themselves from the benefits pit? But no, that doesn’t happen; just ignore the problem and hope it will go away, whilst making plans for mass sterilisation and maybe euthanasia too rather than throw a little money into a solution to the problem.

No, eugenics goes back further than the 1930s; the idea has its modern roots with Francis Galton, who published his book Hereditary Genius in 1869. And, bringing this post back to the thread, what do you think dog breeders aims are when bringing two ‘perfect’ specimens together?