Wonder if you can help me, at my flying school there was an instructor who said you put 10mins before take off and five after , another instuctor said that it was five before and five after. However I have spoken to people who insist it is from the moment you first move to when you come to a stop, which is correct? Having now passed my PPL i am at a bit unsure which one is right. Have trudged through LASORS and it isn’t that much clearer, this is not an effort to get more hours just an honest question looking for an answer.
One further point do people always round the times to the nearest five mins? Is that because thats the way its been taught or is it the official caa rules?
Thanks for your help.
By: Chipmunk Carol - 1st June 2005 at 14:34
The time you pay for and the time you log may well be two different things depending upon who owns the aeroplane and their rules for payment.
By: Melvyn Hiscock - 31st May 2005 at 16:59
Our club charges you for take off to landing + 5 mins. It works fine for me, sometimes you start and are up in 2 mins, sometime alot longer!
dme
A lot of places charge on the hobbs meter so you are paying flying time for engine warm up!
I tend to round mine to the nearest five minutes. Same for the aeroplane log book.
Melvyn
By: DME - 31st May 2005 at 16:54
Our club charges you for take off to landing + 5 mins. It works fine for me, sometimes you start and are up in 2 mins, sometime alot longer!
dme
By: Moggy C - 31st May 2005 at 16:46
One further point do people always round the times to the nearest five mins? Is that because thats the way its been taught or is it the official caa rules?
Thanks for your help.
Simple.
Rental aircraft = round down
Owned aircraft = round up
Moggy
By: Deano - 31st May 2005 at 16:42
Indeed what has been said above is right, whether you choose to log your time as decimals or minutes is your personal choice, personally I log decimals, 0.1 being 6 minutes etc, round up if its over 3 minutes, and down if under, it all works itself out in the end.
Dean
By: Moggy C - 31st May 2005 at 16:18
Brakes off to brakes on – as long as the brakes were released with the intention of flight.
Don’t get hyper-worried about the correctness of the entries in your logbook. Unless you are destined for greater things nobody will ever look at it except you.
I have learned this from bitter experience. Mine was meticulously maintained up to the moment a few weeks back when I lost it. My replacement is, to say the least, sketchy. Most of my later flights have a duration, but no start and finish times. Didn’t even need to get it countersigned by anyone who’d know if it was remotely true.
If you are a recreational pilot the CAA couldn’t give a monkey’s about your logbook.
Moggy
By: met24 - 31st May 2005 at 15:45
Quoting from CAP 393 (Air Navigation: The Order and the Regulations), Section I, Part XI, Page 21 (this is page 129 in the most recent edition on the CAA website)
(2) An aircraft shall be deemed to be in flight:
(a) in the case of a piloted flying machine, from the moment when, after the embarkation of its crew for the purpose of taking off, it first moves under its own power until the moment when it next comes to rest after landing […]
This ties in with the ‘brakes off to brakes on’ times that I’ve always recorded in my logbook.
Right met24, back to work …
By: BlueRobin - 31st May 2005 at 14:06
You log airborne time. I’m not always a rule quoter so can’t give you a source (sorry). It’s probably an ANO thing.
We used to have an ATPL desparado who hung around the club when I was learning who jumped in an aeroplane when it needed refuelling then logged a free 10 mins per “trip” into his log book. Naughty!
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