MoD to withdraw Married Accomodation after 8yrs service

Irrespective of the merits of the spelling and grammar in the original petition, the reason that it will be ignored is is because so far only 1,228 people haver signed it!

If this is such a burning issue of concern to those serving, how come so few (and their families) have bothered to sign the petition?

Even if I agreed with it, I wouldn’t be willing to sign it until a few more of the people who would actually be impacted by the changes could be bothered to.

Perhaps because it has only been going 6 days or so?. I signed it just before I posted this thread up and was about no. 180-something. In 6 days a thousand people have expressed their view thats not so shabby is it?.

Perhaps because this is the work of a small group of service families who are genuinely concerned what the future could hold for them and that its bloody poor treatment after years of service to be turfed out of the accomodation that has, for decades, been promised to serving personnel. It is not some slick, well structured, publicity campaign blazened all over the media. If you are saying that the only things with any worth are orchestrated glitzy, professional, media campaigns I find that distasteful to put it mildly. Very X-Factor though.

Maybe if the service families got Simon Cowell to front their grievance they’d have got a few more phone votes….er….I mean petition signatories eh Indiaecho?.

I stand corrected on that point.

FYI: I have no beef with the civil servants themselves.

Fecking sack the multitude of civilian MOD staff. They are more numerous than service personell and are getting paid far more.

In 2008 there were 85,000+ MOD civil servants and 187,000+ service personnel. By now there is even less of both and come this summer I’ll be joining the ranks of mass unemployed because of the Government cuts. That should please you then.

Why do people always pick on MOD civil servants when the MOD actually employ the least amount of civil servants compared to other Government departments.

Brian

Fecking sack the multitude of civilian MOD staff. They are more numerous than service personell and are getting paid far more. That’ll save a pretty penny and let the service personell keep their well deserve MQs.

Bloody outrageous…. making my blood boil.

What makes my blood boil are non MOD civilians who think they know what they are talking about. 😡

Beat me to it Pen Pusher

Bmused, you sir are totally out of touch & that is being polite :rolleyes:

I hope the reports are untrue and that this is not on the Government’s agenda.

On a personal note, I think the posting quoted above is, without doubt, one of the vilest comments I’ve ever seen posted here, and I’ve been here a long time. It is disgraceful, shameful and unwelcome. I hope current service personnel do not believe that tornado’s vile diatribe is representative of the belief of the public in general.

Perhaps tornado should remember exactly why it is that we sleep soundly in our beds at night and that the care of those killed, wounded or injured in the service of this Country is but a small part of the debt we all owe.

Regards,

kev35

here we go again !! why is it vile kev ?? simply because it is not your view ??

when i was in if i’d been married i as my brother would have preffered family that was settled in a civillian community

i and my brother would have been happier knowing that if the worst should happen ( if you join up without thinking it you are a fool ) your family was settled indeffinately without the inevitable of eventualy having to move on from MOD property , my view is they would have friends around them and could remain where they were as long as they wanted

it does not stop them meeting up with others of the same mindset but some may not want to some may want to make a clean break

the trouble is that the british only like seeing life or death they don’t like the unsavoury idea of dissabillity and all that goes with it

try to get from one town to another with someone in a wheelchair and observe peoples attitudes ( it will open your eyes !! ) unfortunately mostly from the older generation

Irrespective of the merits of the spelling and grammar in the original petition, the reason that it will be ignored is is because so far only 1,228 people haver signed it!

If this is such a burning issue of concern to those serving, how come so few (and their families) have bothered to sign the petition?

Even if I agreed with it, I wouldn’t be willing to sign it until a few more of the people who would actually be impacted by the changes could be bothered to.

I hope the reports are untrue and that this is not on the Government’s agenda.

and one day they may need us that spoon feed them , wipe thier **** , put them to bed , get them up , rehabilitate them medicate them etc etc

for 5k per year less than they get !!

On a personal note, I think the posting quoted above is, without doubt, one of the vilest comments I’ve ever seen posted here, and I’ve been here a long time. It is disgraceful, shameful and unwelcome. I hope current service personnel do not believe that tornado’s vile diatribe is representative of the belief of the public in general.

Perhaps tornado should remember exactly why it is that we sleep soundly in our beds at night and that the care of those killed, wounded or injured in the service of this Country is but a small part of the debt we all owe.

Regards,

kev35

Having just read the e-petition, shouldn’t it be shame on the person posting it for the bad English, grammer and spelling mistakes contained in it.

For that alone, not a petition that is going to be taken seriously by the vastly overpaid civil servants in Whitehall.

Brian

Shall we assume that the inaccurate spelling of the word ‘grammar’ above is ironic or illustrative?.

The petition is nether polished nor anywhere near gramatically correct. So, yes, I fear the punctilious, prissy, bureaucrats in Whitehall may well sneer at it and ignore the very clear message it transmits. That is part of the problem being described though isnt it?. The issue at hand is precisely that the Whitehall mandarins apparently find it easy to ignore the requirements of the lowly peasants who exist merely to serve.

As to the forces families misunderstanding the core principles of the New Employment Model I’ve seen some spirited defence, by civil servants, of precisely the benefits of culling MQ provision at 8 years.

Suffice it to say that the perception has been given, by MoD, that this IS on the agenda. If it turns out that its been quietly pushed into the long grass and is no longer an issue so be it. If it means my mates and their wives can stop worrying about it, as they very definitely are now, thats enough. I look forward to the press announcement, refuting the stories that appeared in the Times etc, stating that this definitively is not being considered.

I’ve just been reading through the March edition of the Defence Monthly Digest that is sent by e-mail to all MOD personnel.

At the bottom of page 4, for any one who has access to it, it states quite clearly that the article that appeared in the media is not true. The New Employment Model as it is called is looking at a range of measures of ways of supporting Service personnel including accomodation. it states they would ‘maintain the importance of publicly-provided accomodation as part of overall service terms and conditions’.

Brian

anyone not signed yet please do so, if you feel its not required shame on you.

Having just read the e-petition, shouldn’t it be shame on the person posting it for the bad English, grammer and spelling mistakes contained in it.

For that alone, not a petition that is going to be taken seriously by the vastly overpaid civil servants in Whitehall.

Brian

Petition signed.
This Government is an ass. Taking this action will drive more members of the forces into civi street, or is that what they want?
Big respect for our forces, anyone not signed yet please do so, if you feel its not required shame on you.
Go and look at the state of some of the MQs at some of our RAF bases (well the few that are left) it will give you a big surprise.

Paul

Jonesy, I am afraid you can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink.

Of course the country has money to throw about!. They are just hesitating before pouring so much down the moneypit that the NHS has become.

£101bn last year in budget and you cant keep vital services operational??. Something wrong with that isnt there?. Government stats show that the NHS budget will climb to £111bn by 2014 while Defence will drop below £34bn. You dont want to start a conversation about wastage in government spending!.

My favourite soapbox piece being the unclaimed benefits pool from the Social Security budget that is listed by the government as being in excess of £10bn ANNUALLY. That is allocated, budgeted, money that does nothing….an amount equal to near a third of the entire defence budget!. Enough to pay outright for both aircraft carriers, the last two deleted Darings AND build an additional pair of Astutes to ease the stretch on the SSN fleet….from a single years wastage.

Lets dispense with the idiotry that the country cant afford to honour its obligations to forces personnel who have spent years in its service.

If you want the extra 5K that much you could always join up.
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i did as did my brother and father and both grandfathers that were lost at sea in ww2

the country no longer has the money to throw about

if not saving here maybe redundancy would be prefrable and trying to earn the same money in civy st !!

as i have said and i fully agree sure it is a bitter pill to swallow but the world is no longer the lucrative place it was 5 yrs ago and things have to be done!!

we lost our local maternity hospital last week and everybody now has to travell considerably further to give birth

and one day they may need us that spoon feed them , wipe thier **** , put them to bed , get them up , rehabilitate them medicate them etc etc

for 5k per year less than they get !!

When the civil service are subject military law, get sent off to do their job in some far flung corner of the planet, where the greatest ambition of a fair sized chunk of the population is to kill or maim you, and all at a moments notice; when civil servants can be expected to substitute for striking fire-fighters, etc. etc. then just maybe they could expect to be paid the same as the service men and women that you are winging about.
By the way it’s called the X factor and is supposed to compensate for the all of the above, plus a lot more which I don’t have room to mention. It’s not nearly enough.
If you want the extra 5K that much you could always join up.
To take away the security of housing after 8 years or so is the final insult.
And yes I have signed the petition.

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One day you may need these people that are keeping you safe and sound Tornado and risking their lives for a pittance, you should bow your head not in respect, but in shame.

and one day they may need us that spoon feed them , wipe thier **** , put them to bed , get them up , rehabilitate them medicate them etc etc

for 5k per year less than they get !!

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One day you may need these people that are keeping you safe and sound Tornado and risking their lives for a pittance, you should bow your head not in respect, but in shame.

Thankyou Tony a far more eloquent reply than I could muster at the moment!

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One day you may need these people that are keeping you safe and sound Tornado and risking their lives for a pittance, you should bow your head not in respect, but in shame.

Ex Services, petition about to be signed, nothing else to say thats printable!

Apart from read this(yes I know its more than a year old)

Perhaps tornado 64 you would like him put down to save money?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1345587/Failure-option-I-WILL-walk-The-inspiring-paratrooper-injured-Afghanistan-wants-dance-STRICTLY.html

fail to see any connection !! i have all the respect going for him and others like him

but not all are the same

i genuinely believe people can get used to having too much done for them

i firmly believe more should be done to settle people in civillian communities and also in rehabilitating the injured into civillian life

i and my family looked at it like this , yes there is the support but it isn’t necessarily a good thing

1 married quarters could at one time be inspected by the millitary at any time !! ( in the real world landlords cannot do this by law ) this may have changed but my brothers mrs who is very house proud and private dispised the fact they could do it

2 in life you can also have too much done for you most go from being a teenager at home having everything done for them to being a teenager/adult in the army having everything done for them ( to such an extent they struggle to cope once they land in the real world

i work in the health proffession presently , have sole resposability to run my own house , and commute to work and whilst granted i’m not in london i have to do this on a lot less than 17k