For and Against: Should machines have rights?

Someone’s become an I-Robot fan obviously (I liked the Audi concept car but the rest is as yet SciFi):D

Giving rights to machines? Jay, you really need to get out more.

Regards,

kev35

Hi Kev35 you missed my closing comment in the opening post (see above) 😀 – the rest of my opening post in the thread was directly from the journal article on the debate not my sentiments:eek:

Having said that debates such as these are good fun and remind me of college days when we had inter collegiate debates (partly great for the opportunity of meeting the female opposition team and supporters of course). Topics such as “The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world”. It was I guess a subtle way of training to be lawyers, politicians:eek:, etc

Kind regards:)

ok, heres one for ya:

Google etc are working on automatically driven cars… so when the car senses it’s going to hit a pedestrian… does it sacrifice the people in the car or vice versa?

btw, one of Googles robotic Prius’s crashed into another Prius the other day.. double win!

[QUOTE=kev35;1783734]Jim.
Kev, May I direct you to Google Pilgrim Hospital, where I was, and read the report made by the CQC report of their enquiry.
Quite frightning realy.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

So what next? Machine Rights protesters at Robot Wars? :rolleyes:

But hang on, are there further reaching implications….

Here

😮

Jim.

With all due respect you can’t say damning things like that without understanding the whole picture, which clearly you don’t. I can’t make a thorough judgment on what you say because there are so many holes in the story you could drive an articulated lorry with a mobile breast screening trailer and an MRI Scanner through it!

Was he winding you up? Or is that you wind yourself up? I’ve worked in ICU when the electricity has failed and the machines stop. Trust me, there are procedures and they do work. We were once without any power for over two hours, no-one died or suffered any deterioration because humans stepped in and did the job.

Regards,

kev35

[QUOTE=kev35;1783713]That’s total rubbish Jim and you know it. The machines you talk about are monitors, nothing more.

Kev. Don’t shoot the messenger, I am only repeating what I was told, for all I know he was winding me up. I am not privvy, nor do I understand anything further than backup generators.
In The H.D. I.C.U. ward I was on it was packed jam full,and if as you say, it went Pear shaped, and traditional nursing methods would be used, which I agree, there would not on this ward be enough room for a plethora of Consultants, Drs nurses, simply because the main H.D. and ICU wards were being re furbished, and everyone had been placed in one room.
Jim.

Lincoln .7.

just when you think you have read everything here…..

i for once welcome our new mechanical overlords

That’s total rubbish Jim and you know it. The machines you talk about are monitors, nothing more. They are there as much for the peace of mind of the staff as for that of the patient. If the monitors fail they go back to the traditional methods of monitoring patients, the use of manual recording of the pulse, looking at the patient, listening, using a sphygmomanometer to record blood pressure.

If you are referring to what you would call life support machinery then there was a limited battery and/or generator back up. If all fails it’s back to bagging and sucking and can be effectively maintained for some time if you have an adequate number of people to do it.

Remember what you said in your first sentence about monitoring your heart. That really is what it was doing, just monitoring. Not controlling, not supporting, just monitoring.

Regards,

kev35

Kev. I think we are already in many areas in the hands of machines.
Just one example, whilst in Hospital last, I was, for want of a better word, “Hooked” up to a machine that monitored my heart etc, I am sure you if anyone have seen these.
There was the main monitor, and a smaller, but which gave the same readings also. One day, some chap came round and looked at everyones machine.
I asked him if they had a plan “B” should the controlling one crash. He replied NO, I asked him what other contingency plans there were for all the folks , not just on these, but those in H.D. and I.C.U. he replied we would all be in the proverbial.
I.M.H.O. the once dedicated nurses have been taken over, nay replaced by a certain extent by the machines.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

I think somebody has been watching too much Star Trek. 🙂

This question came up in an episode of TNG.

I don’t know Lance, a sentient PC acting as a moderator might get rid of some of the carp posted on internet fora.

A sentient computer coupled with a machine with the ability to deliver nuclear weapons? Do we give that machine the right to determine whether it should launch and allow it to choose it’s own targets?

Giving rights to machines? Jay, you really need to get out more.

Regards,

kev35

I have a dishwasher and I worship the ground it sits on…………….:)

I think the ‘robots with human brain cells incorporated’ is the important bit. Well, how many human brain cells are we talking about here; enough to become conscious? Generalisations are very dangerous in these kinds of debate. Do all animals have ‘animal rights’ for instance?

‘Robots’ are already amongst us, men have been killed in wars by robot soldiers and I’ve got two very useful robots at home that wash my clothes and do the washing-up. Not sure either of these has any rights…..yet.

My vacuum is already full of itself.
It refuses to pick up after me any longer.:eek:

Time to empty the bag.

No.

Got any more questions?

I know Jim – its funny how people get carried away on ‘crap’ concepts

I know Jim – its funny how people get carried away on ‘crap’ concepts.

There are a lot at the University of Edinburgh where by the way the start of Women’s Lib occurred that think on these same weird lines.

Nuts – they should be in Bourneville at the Fruit and Nut factory:D

Jay. I don’t think it will ever happen.
“I think, therefor I am “. if an artificial intelligent machine unaided by human input, can utter those words, or hold a conversation, or better still,,join this forum, and have an intellegent input entirely by itself, then I would say it would POSSIBLY have rights.
Highly debateable topic.
Jim.

Lincoln .7