Future RN assets sighted on the Clyde this week

Well it was RR who showed me the working mock up several times and stated that it was a derivative of their good work on the Harrier…

I’m sure Rolls-Royce are proud of the development of the lift-fan for the F-35 (and rightly so) but I do not see any technical similarities between the lift-fan and the Pegasus engine and swivelling nozzles used on the Harrier. Now between the downward-pointing jet-pipe on the F-35B engine and the rear nozzles on a Harrier, yes, I’d say there were many technical similarities; maybe that is what Rolls-Royce were alluding to?

I sincerely hope the F-35B becomes an operational reality; my view is that the RN / RAF would have been better-off with that version than the F-35C. Just so long as we get one or the other!

The Lift fan is a Soviet idea, from the very over-looked Yak 41 from the 80’s…

Really? I thought the Yak-41 used ‘lift-jets’ (separate jet engines used only for the hover) as opposed to a lift-fan…

…and flying aircraft (prototypes) with lift-jets pre-date the Yak-41 by decades.

Blimey, I’d forgotten about that one. In fact I’d forgotten about Ryan. Which corporation swallowed up Ryan, or did it die completely?

Don’t feel bad, everyone forgets about Ryan.
They became part of Teledyne, and best known for their UAVs (or course back then they were known as drones)…target and recon.

Their Firebee’s are made today by Northrop-Grumman, but I don’t know if they just took that program or their entire operation.

Blimey, I’d forgotten about that one. In fact I’d forgotten about Ryan. Which corporation swallowed up Ryan, or did it die completely?

Records are scarce/twisted/lies but there is debate as to whether the Soviet flying testbed was actually airborne before the Rolls Royce version. Who copied who is a debate for several beers and a full evening. Which I haven’t got as I’m up with the Larks tomorrow.

The Lift fan is a Soviet idea, from the very over-looked Yak 41 from the 80’s.
But Americans don’t like to be reminded of this LoL!

I’m sure the Soviet fanboys don’t want to be reminded of this, but
the Ryan XV-5 of 1964 had the same concept. 🙂 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_XV-5_Vertifan

Well it was RR who showed me the working mock up several times and stated that it was a derivative of their good work on the Harrier.

I guess it’s the same definition of derivatives we see from the RR RB211 that now have many Trent series.

All I know is that at present the F35 CV is slower into production due to development of the ‘Lift Fan’ from RR and American Partner.

Derived from…meaning the knowledge and problems caused by Hovver and especially close proximity hovver.
The Lift fan is a Soviet idea, from the very over-looked Yak 41 from the 80’s. And so is the swinging jet pipe nozzle (Known as the Donkey ****).
But Americans don’t like to be reminded of this LoL!

See my post 182 – RR told me so but maybe they weren’t as knowledgeable a syou

See my post 182 – RR told me so but maybe they weren’t as knowledgeable as you.:)

I am happy to keep an open mind and simply wish to see aircraft F35, or foreign built, UAVs, UCAVs and helis equip those two aircraft carriers.

The engines for the F35C are delayed or is that another story that is questionable in your opinion?;)

http://www.rolls-royce.com/defence/products/combat_jets/rr_liftsystem.jsp

http://www.rolls-royce.com/defence/products/combat_jets/f136.jsp (snafu352 – please note terminology I used is/was used by RR namely describing F35c as CV – this is a General Discussion thread on Aircraft Carriers)

F35C it is specifically for Carrier deployment – delayed though

F35C it is specifically for Carrier deployment – delayed though

Budget cuts US – delays engine ( RR & American partner) development for F35C.

F35C will happen (I hope):) and in the meantime if it isn’t through before 2020 then foreign aircraft are still carrier deployable and so can UAVs, UCAVs and helis fill the gap temporary or permanent.

What’s an F35 CV?? :confused: :rolleyes:

There is the F35A CTOL (conventional take off and landing) landbased variant.
Then F35B, this is the STOVL (short take off vertical landing) variant i suspect you mean with F35 CV.
Finally the F35C which is the CTOL conventional cat and trap carrier capable variant.

The UK is getting the F35C.

Well it was RR who showed me the working mock up …

Well it was RR who showed me the working mock up several times and stated that it was a derivative of their good work on the Harrier.

I guess it’s the same definition of derivatives we see from the RR RB211 that now have many Trent series.

All I know is that at present the F35 CV is slower into production due to development of the ‘Lift Fan’ from RR and American Partner.

…the RR Lift Fan (originally used in the Harrier)…

No, not used in the Harrier at all…..I believe the lift-fan of the F-35B (STOVL variant) is the first to be fitted in any aircraft.

You didn’t see my specific F35 CVs which the carrier variant

You didn’t see my specific F35 CVs which the carrier variant.
To my knowledge the F35 CV has hit snags/delays (usual government funding) and Rolls Royce along with their American partner are funding the progress development of the RR Lift Fan (originally used in the Harrier) for the F35 CV.

By the time she floats/commissioned (2020), by the RN there will either be F35 CVs or equivalent drones, UAVs, UCAVs along with helicopters to be on board.

BAE are in the F35 program in a big way but are likewise hamstrung without an engine for the F35 CV.

At least most of the related jobs are all in Britain – thank goodness.;)
exceptions being the F-35 CVs if they ever finish them – may on the other hand replace them as choice with UCAVs and Helicopters.

BAE is actually manufacturing a fair sized part of all F-35s, the tail section and control surfaces I believe?

edit From wiki: ” BAE Systems provides aft fuselage and empennages, horizontal and vertical tails, crew life support and escape systems, Electronic warfare systems, fuel system, and Flight Control Software (FCS1).”

I think it is HMS Queen Elizabeth II; abbreviated (as everybody has said correctly) to ‘QEII’ and not ‘QE2’, to avoid confusion with the well-known liner (or former liner) of the same name.

I agree they are hopeless names; they sound wrong for today’s Royal Navy (and today’s world), too imperial, too royalist, too colonial. I wonder who was responsible for them? My own thoughts are that picking these names was intended to make cancellation a bit ‘awkward’ for any government than wanted to cancel them!

What names would you have picked? I’d have gone with HMS Ark Royal (obviously) for one, particularly since the current Ark will have been scrapped long before this new carrier enters service.

Another reason to name her HMS Ark Royal would be to help the (very slim) chances of her eventual preservation as the ‘last’ Royal Navy aircraft carrier ever.

Allow a colonial a (probably silly) question…
Is the ship named after QE I or II (Or does it matter?).

Likewise is the Prince of Wales named after the current title holder or peraps after the ship sunk on 10 Dec 1941?