Have we gotten too soft ?.

May I suggest you read the Aug 14th edition of the NEW Scientist magazine, as there are seveal pages re D.N.A. which makes interesting reading.;)

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Indeed, DNA may be almost exactly the same in every person on Earth, almost being the crucial word. The differences, regardless of how slight (tenths or hundreths of a per cent) are by far enough to distinguish between with a huge degree of accuracy.

I’m not sure what you mean by ‘basic DNA’, to give you an idea of how tiny differences in DNA can easily be distinguished between, human DNA and chimpanzee DNA is 97-98% identical… but you wouldn’t expect a forensics lab to pin a chimpanzee in a zoo to a murder would you? You can see for yourself the effect those few per cent (figures range from 95% to 99%, so I’ll take the middle ground) have on the differences and how tiny changes in DNA can have huge consequences, a bit like Chaos theory, that make it easy to measure DNA far more accurately than you’re implying.

Right let’s see if I can clarify a little. The way we were told is that there are enough similarities iin most DNA that it is only the most subtle differences that give the really accurate matches, the basic DNA matches one in about 500000

MC. “THE MOST SUBTLE differences that give the really accurate matches”, I cannot understand this, it’s either accurate or not.
A Judge will only direct a Jury,to find a defendant guilty, if the evidece put forward is, “Beyound a reasonable doubt”, and at 99.9%, You cannot get much more accurate than that. There would also be more evidence I am sure, in most cases that have to be taken into consideration also. I doubt if D.N.A. being the only evidence submitted would in it’self be sufficiant, to gain a conviction.

Lincoln. 7

Right let’s see if I can clarify a little. The way we were told is that there are enough similarities iin most DNA that it is only the most subtle differences that give the really accurate matches, the basic DNA matches one in about 500000

That doesn’t really answer my question as to what you meant by DNA profiling “only leading to an eighth of the population”.

From what I can gather you’re implying one of two things:

1. DNA is exactly the same in one in every eight individuals, which would make Darwin roll over in his grave.

2. DNA profiling methods are so lacklustre that only eight different variations in DNA can be detected, while in actual fact DNA profiling can distinguish between every single person on Earth at 99.999…% accuracy, unless you start getting monozygotic/identical twins involved, in which case the accuracy falls to about 95%.

DNA testing is very, very accurate, that’s why it’s used as credible evidence in court cases, whereas inaccurate methods such as the polygraph (“lie detector”) are not.

You read correctly.

As I was told by a forensics team co-ordinater DNA is not all it’s cracked up to be. DNA will lead you to one of about an eigth of the population whilst a finger print is unique as is a footprint even with a shoe on (if you can get to the shoe fast enough)

Do you actually mean an eighth of the population or an eighth of a per-cent of the population? Even that’s giving DNA testing far too little credit…

DNA may be extremely similar in every human on Earth, but the differences and means by which to measure those differences are very established and can give a 99.9% accuracy measurement. Are you saying that there are only 8 different ‘types’ of DNA or that current testing methods can only distinguish between 8 different ‘types’? Whichever one your forensics friend was referring to, you were being led pretty far astray.

Identical (True monozygotic) twins throws it a bit. But that’s about all.

The odds of a DNA test being inaccurate are three hundred million to one, according to one of the worlds leading DNA experts in the USA.

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Sorry, don’t agree with that comment. We do have enough jails, the Judicial system in it’self is to blame. Many of our Judges, live their entire lives, well paid and havn’t got a clue whats going on in the real world. It’s not that long ago that during a High Court hearing, that the Judge, had to ask one of the Court Officials “Who was John Lennon”
Most are so old, they should be made to retire at the same age as the rest of us. Just last week another Judge, fell asleep in his chair.
Like Moggy said re one of my comments, “Give him 50 lashes of the Birch” and I agree, the human rights brigade, BAN them all, if you live by the rules of the land, and behave yourself, why do we need them?.(I feel a RANT gathering pace here, :diablo:). No just bring back hanging, and the Birch, Oh no, the P.C brigade would say, what if the jury got it wrong, and an innocent person was wrongly hung?. Having visited forensic science labs to take samples yrs ago, they do a damn good job, and it’s nigh on impossible to argue with a D.N.A. match result. When all the evidence is conclusive, and the measures I have stated as punishment are implemented, you could more or less guarantee crime would drop dramaticaly. I have often attended the scene of a house that has been burgled, and after things have been taken, ie prints, photos etc, nearly all the owners of these houses wanted to leave the house and move away, as they fear they would be targetted again.
There is somewhere in the Arizona desert an open prison, the Governer there has it right, no T.V. nothing, just out all day in the desert, working their guts out, he reportedly stated he has yet to see the same person back at his prison,Drackonian, no, just the punishment they deserved .
JEEEEEES I feel better now, think I will go and get a nice cuppa. O.K. folks, Rant over 😀

Lincoln. 7
:diablo:

As I was told by a forensics team co-ordinater DNA is not all it’s cracked up to be. DNA will lead you to one of about an eigth of the population whilst a finger print is unique as is a footprint even with a shoe on (if you can get to the shoe fast enough)

“Pearl HaroUr, where the Americans were caught completely by surprise, 2 YEARS into a global war”

Thanks to Al Murray, the Brit.

That’s the guy, Frank. Cheers.

I guess you want to google for Joe Arpaio. He’s the sheriff for Maricopa county, AZ.
There should be more like him, especially when the feds seem not to do their job down there. (also look up what happened with AZ senate bill 1070)

Hi Frank, many thanks for the reply, will now be off to track it down and read it.

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I have just read several articles, (Thanks Frank) now this chap has the right ideas, and I admire him for what he has said and done with his riff raff.
I particularly liked the words he used when his prisoners complained re the heat, and he cross referenced his reply re Irak.
YOU JUST GOT TO READ THESE ARTICLES, sadly, we could never get away with that here in the U.K.
Lincoln. 7

I guess you want to google for Joe Arpaio. He’s the sheriff for Maricopa county, AZ.
There should be more like him, especially when the feds seem not to do their job down there. (also look up what happened with AZ senate bill 1070)

The one with the flashing neon sign on its roof saying ‘Vacancies’ and living in tents outside and in bunks three high . that would get the do gooders over here scratching letters to the ‘Hague’ or wherever head office is for those people.

May well be the end of a T.V prog I was watching. Iv’e asked Daz to try and find the article, as I failed to see the entire T.V. output.
Lincoln. 7

Anyone read that article about the American prison warden who basically creates hell for his inmates so that they DON’T reoffend? It’s bloody quality.

Daz. I just caught the end of a T.V prog about it, where can we find the article please?.I would like to read up on it.
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The one with the flashing neon sign on its roof saying ‘Vacancies’ and living in tents outside and in bunks three high . that would get the do gooders over here scratching letters to the ‘Hague’ or wherever head office is for those people.

Anyone read that article about the American prison warden who basically creates hell for his inmates so that they DON’T reoffend? It’s bloody quality.

Spitfireman. Like ERRRRRRRRRRRRR didn’t we export our miscreants to Aus in the first place, I am sure there is more than enough room left in Aus to send them a few thousand more…:D:D:D

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If so, kindly ask the inhabitants of Greenland to move on and create another Australia 🙂

Not likely………………………ones enough:diablo: