A little help to a new PPL starter!

I sometimes wish that r was too, but he’s very entertaining.

I was convinced he was a wind up to start. However, I was sixteen once so I find it hard to be too cruel to him. Ozzy however . . .

r is, as you say, very entertaining. I do sincerely hope he learns to listen and learn. There is a lot of knoweldge out there and the internet is a good way of accessing it. You just need to avoid pressing the wrong buttons.

Melv

You could always post this on PPRUNE on the private pilots sector, tyer are always good with the info for newbies…..wish I had parents like that 😀 still just managing to use club aircraft 🙂

MYRIA

Ozzy has one over on you in that he has very, very generous parents.

On the other hand, you have one over on him as you actually exist.

Ozzy is a figment of someone’s imagination…..

MH

You could always post this on PPRUNE on the private pilots sector, tyer are always good with the info for newbies…..wish I had parents like that 😀 still just managing to use club aircraft 🙂

MYRIA

Car park attendant? Traffic Bollard?

John C
Leaky cabriolet = wet bum 🙁

Ah so we are actually talking ground cone troller

A ground controller, mmmmmm, been thinking of what that could be, only conclusion I have reached so far is that it’s one of those people you see at roadworks with a Stop / Go board. Am I close?

Car park attendant? Traffic Bollard?

John C
Leaky cabriolet = wet bum 🙁

All of which could prove VERY interesting if he follows his chosen career path as a ground controller, whatever one of those is…….!! 😀

A ground controller, mmmmmm, been thinking of what that could be, only conclusion I have reached so far is that it’s one of those people you see at roadworks with a Stop / Go board. Am I close?

r

Do you want to know why you have such trouble with your exams?

You can’t read.

Sure you see the words, but your overstressed brain is so busy trying to twist it into whatever you want to read, that what you see is not what is on the paper.

But do you bloody listen?

No.

All of which could prove VERY interesting if he follows his chosen career path as a ground controller, whatever one of those is…….!! 😀

“It’s unforgiveable”

“I lost my temper”

“But the terrible thing is, he’s right”

Ralph Richardson. Battle of Britain, 1967.

Maybe the last bit doesn’t work in this context. :rolleyes:

Late night posting, not a good idea.

But then they were only dealing with the Nazis!

Melv

I see he’s starting to get on your nerves too. Considering the ammount of patience I have witnessed from you on these he must be trying really hard.

“It’s unforgiveable”

“I lost my temper”

“But the terrible thing is, he’s right”

Ralph Richardson. Battle of Britain, 1967.

Maybe the last bit doesn’t work in this context. :rolleyes:

Late night posting, not a good idea.

I see he’s starting to get on your nerves too. Considering the ammount of patience I have witnessed from you on these he must be trying really hard.

I myself am also looking at buying a plane from money left to me, a PA-28, hey I even get shot down for not wanting to buy an aircraft of some others choice

r

Do you want to know why you have such trouble with your exams?

You can’t read.

Sure you see the words, but your overstressed brain is so busy trying to twist it into whatever you want to read, that what you see is not what is on the paper.

Show me where in the thread about your buying a PA28 you were ‘shot down’ for not wanting an aircraft of other’s choice. 😡

You weren’t.

I asked, quite reasonably why, with all the choices in the world open to you you selected an aircraft type that you can hire from every god-forsaken little flying club in the land and would inevitably be on the CAA register, thus costing you lots more than a PFA type?

But do you bloody listen?

No.

You get all huffy about imagined slights because I don’t immediately agree that your first half-baked idea has the wisdom of Solomon behind it.

Grow up.

Sometimes you are amusing. Mostly you are tiresome.

Moggy

Those aren’t solutions… they just stink of jealously to me.
I don’t think there is any need for personal attacks like that when the lad is only looking for help.

He can’t be very interested in getting help when he picks fault with just about every good bit of advice he’s given by older, wiser people. Oh well I guess it beats watching TV for entertainment.

Well firstly prepare to be bombarded by the usual nit pickers, don’t make the mistake I did, when you ask something make sure you ask it in exact terms, some people really will pick up up in this room for really petty things.

I myslef am 16 and to be 17 in September, I should hope to have my licence by or shortly after my birthday, I myself am also looking at buying a plane from money left to me, a PA-28, hey I even get shot down for not wanting to buy an aircraft of some others choice, but on the happy side of things you really can learn lot’s in this room, so good luck.

You can go where you like in a SEP, I think parts of London are not goe’s, and N register aircraft are from America, and G from the U.k, you can fly N register aircraft over here on the PPL, but you will need to compleate a short FAA written test.

It’s not as much bother as some people make out, althougth I suppose I will be corrected with what I said put into sarcastic other terms with technical blabber added to it. But really most people in here are o.k

Try www.hgfc.co.uk for flight training.

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

Face facts R you were shot down for not facing the realities of aircraft purchase and upkeep. The best way to budget for your aircraft operating costs is to double the figure you first thought of and add 100% but be prepared to find that you have underestimated the costs involved

Propstrike, thanks for posting that. I’m seriously contemplating joining a group, although probably not for a fe months, and not entirely sure what on. But your post certainly gives me food for thought. Cheers.

For someone contemplating aircraft ownership for the first time, I would advise considering joining an existing group, to stick a toe in the water, as it were.

The advantages are numerous, and unless money really is of no consequence, it will be very beneficial to be able to share the inevitable bills, when they come along. The more complex the aeroplane, ie retractable u/c, VP prop or whatever, the more relevant this will become. Also, you will be able to benefit from a fund of knowledge about the operation of that type, and have fellow members to ‘mentor’ you in the early stages.

Unless the aircraft is very simple, most groups will require some post PPL experience, perhaps 50 hours or so, before considering your membership.
Availability is seldom a problem, and most group aircraft are under-utilised, even with membership as high as twenty, although four or six is more usual.

Most groups are friendly and supportive, especially those operating PFA aircraft, with members all mucking in for 50 hour checks and Permit Renewals.
Again, this offers a chance to get involved and learn about the aeroplane, which you would not do if it was simply wheeled over to the local engineers.

Many, perhaps most, PPL’s lapse within 100 hours of qualifying, because focus can be lost during this period, and, depending on the airfield/Flying Club
it can become quite a solitary pursuit. As a member of a group, you will have oppportunities for longer, shared flights which you would probably not have undertaken on your own.

Group membership has enabled me to fly some very enjoyable vintage aircraft at low cost, and enjoy the company of many enthusiastic and friendly fellow- flyers. Grab a copy of any of the monthly mags, and look in the classifieds, there is something for just about every taste and budget, from Luton Minor to Hawker Hunter!

Who needs the TV with entertainment like this.

I like young Ozzy, he makes me laugh almost as much as Robert. Robert wins though, he’s real.

when i woz yung i wantered to be an aerline pileit but I becomed a brain sergjun insted.

MH

And a sweet tip: perhaps you may want to hit the edit button and correct your spelling/grammar errors on your posting. 🙂

You’re not volunteering are you??!! It will spoil our collective fun and puzzlement over what young R is trying to say! 😉

P.S.

I bought my Commander 112TC, and didn’t have a High Performance / Complex rating, I earned it in the Commander. All it took was about four solid hours of training. Piece of cake.

Insurance was more than doubled when I went to high performance and now only dropped down a few hundred dollars a year. Still several thousands in insurance a year.

And, you can ask Frank vW …. he took lessons in the Commander. His first log entry was high performance. He may say he doesn’t know much about GA planes, but he sure can fly them! :p

X!

FLYLADY 😉

Note: Pass your written test first. I bought my first plane after a few lessons in a rented plane. Didn’t like to rent planes. And a sweet tip: perhaps you may want to hit the edit button and correct your spelling/grammar errors on your posting. 🙂

Well, my friend. I have been around planes since before I was born. True, grandma flew. Anyway … I’ve owned I believe eight different planes. List is first started in a 152 didn’t like that … so I bought my own, a 172, then got a low wing Cherokee 140, not enough power, so got a Cherokee 180 quite nicer, then aerobatics, Citabria, then 182, then 210, bought back the 172 … a Navion, had five planes in the yard at once … and now a Commander.

My advise to you is … start out with what you can afford, or your dad is willing to pay for. BTW … you are lucky indeed. I bought (myself) my first plane 14 years ago in my early 20’s and have owned the Commander for 1.5 years.

Before you check the price of the plane, cause that’s the easier part, check the insurance costs. Why? Because insurance is often the painful one for new starters. Especially for high performance. And, that is if you can find one that will insure you. Sometimes even money doesn’t talk. So, start there, before you buy a plane. You may purchase the plane and no one will insure you, therefore stuck with a nice plane you can’t fly.

In regards to other planes. The Mooney is a nice plane. Fast and slick looking. I still think the tail was put on wrong. But, a nice plane. If you are not very tall, then a good plane too. And, if you plan on flying alone and mostly short trips, then a great plane for you. I have friends that have Mooney’s and love it, but long trips, and someone sitting next to you is difficult … you must stagger the seats.

The Socata … another nice plane indeed. But, room again … same as above.

The Ciruss … nice panel … good price … but to me it still doesn’t have that sexy look as others such as Trinidad or Malibu … and the Commander.

A 115TC is nice. I’ve been in one … as the matter of fact the one featured on the Web site. Very nice plane. And, any plane can have digital panels, so consider that a custom ordered plane. After all, Dad is paying … right? He would want nothing but the best for his son.

And, my huge advise to you is … do you homework first. Then, go test flight all the planes you like. And, you will see. They are like shoes or gloves, there’s a fit for everyone.

Regards.

FLYLADY

😉

when you’re at the wrong height over built up area when the donk cuts, it’s too late to say you forgot!

He’ll be OK once he’s done Air Law.

Moggy