R.weaver P.I.C to Alderney

I would imagine most of the chemicals are probably outlawed these days.

On another point mainly directed at Moggy as he was going on about if before a long long time ago, where do you get these crop dusting pilots in the summer, and are there really any farms that are so big that they need them?

Dunno. I’ve never needed a crop dusting pilot so I wouldn’t know where to get one. Certainly not in the UK. I think it is actually banned over here now.

Moggy

well I best do some dobule nav today I did not do any last night I was tired after 36holes of golf. Now if there was something to bloody eat in the freezer it could ease my study, whats this I see, a bottle of wine, mmmm nav and wine?

On another point mainly directed at Moggy as he was going on about if before a long long time ago, where do you get these crop dusting pilots in the summer, and are there really any farms that are so big that they need them?

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

In winter the Trislanders routinely plough their way between Alderney and Southampton at 1000′ to avoid icing!

I’ve flown into Alderney several times (in Trislanders)

Not so much flown. More like ‘staggered’

Trislander, the only aircraft with its own low-level airway.

Moggy :p

I’m just jealous really.

I’ve got to agree with Skypilot, the Seneca is much more than 2 Warriors in close formation! Try getting your instructor to teach you losing a donk in a simulated early stage of the climb out and you’ll see what I mean.

I’ve flown into Alderney several times (in Trislanders) and it’s a lovely place…when the weathers good! Take a visit to the terminal and look for the departure lounge’s take on passenger entertainment. It consists of an area where there is communal knitting! The idea is that you do a few lines (of knitting) while waiting for your flight. The result of many passengers efforts are turned into blankets for those in need!

Even if you can’t log the time, the experience will still be valuable. Have a great time!

Slink’s spot on I’m afraid.

Also bear in mind that if your family are paying then it’s for hire and reward – aerial work, which is another no-no without the relevant licence.

Of course, you can sit up front but I’d be inclined not to log it. Your instructor should be aware of all this anyway.

Regarding the whole “Warrior with 2-engines” thing, I’d be real careful. The warrior is fixed pitch, single engined, fuel injected cruising at 105 knots (if I recall). The Seneca is variable pitch, turbo-charged, twin-engined and cruises alot faster (around 160?). If you get it wrong in a Seneca, it’s a VERY different ball game. Having flown both, i know where I’m coming from! They do of course essentially came from the same stable, and have certain similarities, especially cockpit design.

Even if you don’t log the hours it will still be a great trip. I’ve not flown to Alderney, but have flown a fair amount around Jersey/Guernsey and it’s superb if the weather’s good.

Enjoy!

ANO Art 21 states…

(5) (a) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (1), a person may, unless the
certificate of airworthiness in force in respect of the aircraft otherwise requires,
act as pilot of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom for the purpose of
undergoing training or tests for the grant or renewal of a pilot’s licence or for the
inclusion, renewal or extension of a rating therein without being the holder of an
appropriate licence, if the conditions specified in sub-paragraph (b) are complied
with:
(b) (i) No other person shall be carried in the aircraft or in an aircraft being towed
thereby except:
(aa) a person carried as a member of the flight crew in compliance with this
Order;
(bb) a person authorised by the CAA to witness the aforesaid training or
tests or to conduct the aforesaid tests; or
(cc) if the pilot in command of the aircraft is the holder of an appropriate
licence, a person carried for the purpose of being trained or tested as
a member of the flight crew of an aircraft.

As far as I can see, that means if you’re going as P1/S or P/UT, no one else may be in the aircraft, other than the instructor who is licensed to fly said aircraft solo. If you’re not going to log the time, then the aircraft would need to be registered, insured, and operated, as an air taxi, which I believe is a whole different ball game from the way most FTOs operate their aircraft. Seeing as you’re not planning it until July, I am sure that a quick phone call or fax to SRG will clarify this point.

…. to be honest it’s just like a warrior with two engines…

Whats Alderney airport like?

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

The extra engine is a rather big difference when it comes to asymetric flying. Don’t do it with your folks on board, but next time you are up with an instructor ask hime to demonstrate engine failure and feathering. That is lots of fun.

Alderney? Fine.

Watch out for the bod on the radio though. If he’s the same one as seven or eight years back he thinks he’s at Heathrow. Calling for start-up is a good wheeze.

Moggy

Sounds like a fun trip, but I’m not sure whether you’d be able to log the time. Flying with your instructor is, as you know, P u/t. But I’m not sure whether a student pilot can legally log P u/t time with passengers in the back. My guess is that legally, the flight would have to be conducted as a non-training flight, but I’ll happily stand corrected if anyone can advise otherwise.

Does sound like good fun though, when are you going?

It is legal as when your with the CFI you can train and take a mate up with you. Remember im not P.I.C and I have done it before.
I cant wait!

Thanks for the reply anyway.

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

Sounds like a fun trip, but I’m not sure whether you’d be able to log the time. Flying with your instructor is, as you know, P u/t. But I’m not sure whether a student pilot can legally log P u/t time with passengers in the back. My guess is that legally, the flight would have to be conducted as a non-training flight, but I’ll happily stand corrected if anyone can advise otherwise.

Does sound like good fun though, when are you going?