Remembering Lockerbie

You are right, I just hope that when the SNP lose their power that this will be one of the first things to be repealed! I don’t think in practice the name change does anything other than change a name. In North Ireland the executive is called just that, however upon a quick Google search the executive of Wales is called the Government! Anyway, I just hope all this nationalist tripe comes to nothing!

Hear, hear – as for the Welsh I will pas no further comment.:rolleyes:

Happy Hogmanay! 🙂

Yes, of course you are quite right about the thread and what we should be concentrating on. Nevertheless whatever the minority leader maintains, legally, the administration remains the Executive in law and the media should use the correct terminology, not a re-branded version to endow it with more power than it has.

You are right, I just hope that when the SNP lose their power that this will be one of the first things to be repealed! I don’t think in practice the name change does anything other than change a name. In North Ireland the executive is called just that, however upon a quick Google search the executive of Wales is called the Government! Anyway, I just hope all this nationalist tripe comes to nothing!

The Scottish Executive was renamed to Scottish Government to allow the less intelligent people of Scotland to understand its role. Mr Salmond is so positive about Scottish people isn’t he!!

I think this thread should concentrate more on the memory of all those innocent people who passed away that night and not the more recent c**k up by the Scottish Government (prev. Executive) to release a guilty terrorist home to die!

If you want to complain about the Scottish Government, complain about all the cheap nationalist stunts to try and raise Scot’s national pride in preparation for a referendum which thy are obviously going to lose. Free Scottish themed street parties at any given moment, Homecoming Scotland and now there is talk of a Scottish “Hollywood Walk of Fame”. All these stunts to try and talk a sceptical Scottish people to come round to the SNP way of thinking!!

Yes, of course you are quite right about the thread and what we should be concentrating on. Nevertheless whatever the minority leader maintains, legally, the administration remains the Executive in law and the media should use the correct terminology, not a re-branded version to endow it with more power than it has.

The Scottish Executive was renamed to Scottish Government to allow the less intelligent people of Scotland to understand its role. Mr Salmond is so positive about Scottish people isn’t he!!

I think this thread should concentrate more on the memory of all those innocent people who passed away that night and not the more recent c**k up by the Scottish Government (prev. Executive) to release a guilty terrorist home to die!

If you want to complain about the Scottish Government, complain about all the cheap nationalist stunts to try and raise Scot’s national pride in preparation for a referendum which thy are obviously going to lose. Free Scottish themed street parties at any given moment, Homecoming Scotland and now there is talk of a Scottish “Hollywood Walk of Fame”. All these stunts to try and talk a sceptical Scottish people to come round to the SNP way of thinking!!

One of the victims of Lockerbie was a 30-year old American named Jonathan White. He was the son of actor David White and his first wife, actress Mary Welch. With his trademark white hair and black mustache, David White was one of the most familiar faces on television in the fifties and sixties, well remembered for playing Darren’s boss Larry Tate on the comedy series Bewitched (1964-72). Mary Welch is little known today because her career and life were both cut short when she died giving birth to their son.

According to those who knew him, David White was consumed by grief, anger, and frustration following his son’s murder. He died of a heart attack in 1990 about a month short of the second anniversary of Jonathan’s death.

At this time of year, we’re often reminded to remember the less fortunate. We usually associate that with lack of money, but Lockerbie reminds us that there are other misfortunes as well.

And there was the young lad from Lockerbie who was out that night and lost his family. Consumed with grief, he p*ssed his compensation money up against the wall and died some time later from a drink related death.

One of the victims of Lockerbie was a 30-year old American named Jonathan White. He was the son of actor David White and his first wife, actress Mary Welch. With his trademark white hair and black mustache, David White was one of the most familiar faces on television in the fifties and sixties, well remembered for playing Darren’s boss Larry Tate on the comedy series Bewitched (1964-72). Mary Welch is little known today because her career and life were both cut short when she died giving birth to their son.

According to those who knew him, David White was consumed by grief, anger, and frustration following his son’s murder. He died of a heart attack in 1990 about a month short of the second anniversary of Jonathan’s death.

At this time of year, we’re often reminded to remember the less fortunate. We usually associate that with lack of money, but Lockerbie reminds us that there are other misfortunes as well.

27Vet, you’re probably thinking about this case (from Wikipedia):

That guy should not see the light of day again. What beats me is how so called humanitarians sympathize with these kind of people (usually until someone close to them is affected.):mad:

27Vet, you’re probably thinking about this case (from Wikipedia):

The Hindawi affair was an attempted bombing of an El Al flight from London to Tel Aviv in April 1986 and its international repercussions.

Overview

On the morning of April 17, 1986, at Heathrow Airport in London, Israeli security guards working for El Al airlines found semtex explosives in a bag of Anne Mary Murphy, a pregnant Irishwoman attempting to fly on a flight with 375 fellow passengers to Tel Aviv. In addition, a functioning calculator in the bag was found to be a timed triggering device. She was apparently unaware of the contents, and had been given the bag by her fiancé, Nezar Hindawi, a Jordanian. He had sent her on the flight for the purpose of meeting his parents before marriage. A manhunt ensued, resulting in Hindawi’s arrest the following day after he surrendered to police. Hindawi was found guilty by a British court in the Old Bailey and received 45 years imprisonment, believed to be the longest determinate, or fixed, criminal sentence in British history.

Hindawi subsequently appealed the sentence of 45 years. His appeal was rejected by the Lord Chief Justice who noted that “Put briefly, this was about as foul and as horrible a crime as could possibly be imagined. It is no thanks to this applicant that his plot did not succeed in destroying 360 or 370 lives in the effort to promote one side of a political dispute by terrorism. In the judgment of this Court the sentence of 45 years’ imprisonment was not a day too long. This application is refused.”

Background

During Hindawi’s subsequent interrogations and trial he described two conflicting stories leading up to the incident. In the first, Hindawi claimed to have arranged the plot with high-ranking officers in Syrian Air Force intelligence a year earlier in Damascus, where he was given Syrian papers and instructions for operating the explosives. He supposedly conducted a training run back in England before returning again to Syria for final details and preparation. As for the explosives themselves, Hindawi said that they were delivered to him in the Royal Garden Hotel in London on April 5, less than two weeks prior to the attempted bombing. This story is supported by the fact that Hindawi first sought refuge in the Syrian embassy after he had learned of the failed bombing, and Syrian officials were in the process of altering his appearance before he fled again, only to surrender to police. Also, British intelligence had previously intercepted Syrian communications with Hindawi’s name, Hindawi was using genuine Syrian documents although he was not Syrian, and Hindawi’s original escape plan involved leaving England with Syrian agents working on Syrian Arab Airlines.

In attempting to construct a credible defence for his client, Hindawi’s legal counsel suggested an alternative interpretation of events during the trial, when he alleged that his client was not working for the Syrians after all, but was being manipulated by Israeli intelligence, which wished to damage and embarrass the Syrian government. The jury was unconvinced by this version of events, and subsequent appeal judges have dismissed such interpretations as entirely lacking in evidence. There is a broad consensus in the intelligence community that such an interpretation is highly unlikely, at best.

Repercussions

After the court found Hindawi guilty, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher broke off diplomatic relations with Syria. Following this the United States and Canada recalled their ambassadors from Syria. The European Community also imposed minor sanctions.

Aftermath

In April 2001 Nizar Hindawi became eligible for parole, but his right of appeal was denied by Home Secretary David Blunkett, a decision upheld by the Court of Appeal.

Who was that then ?

I’m thinking back many years, but I seem to recall that baggage was checked onto the through flight at the origin, which contained the bomb? And it was a female passenger who checked in the baggage? Or am I thinking of something else? In any event I think that any terrorist event is deplorable and cowardly and I will certainly observe a minutes silence for the innocent victims.

Without diminishing the memory of those killed by the terrorists has anyone else noticed how the Scottish Parliament has insidiously become the Scottish government. The word “government” appears nowhere in the wording to describe the devolution of that legislature.

So, yes indeed, shame on the Scottish Parliament.

Apologies Sky High..bad interpretation on my part, you are of course correct..Parliament…certainly not a Government! That would imply Governing!

Mmm Dunno about that 27…there was a LOT more than Al Megrahi involved,for sure, but none were found guilty of murdering 270 and released after serving 13 days in jail for each victim.

Without diminishing the memory of those killed by the terrorists has anyone else noticed how the Scottish Parliament has insidiously become the Scottish government. The word “government” appears nowhere in the wording to describe the devolution of that legislature.

So, yes indeed, shame on the Scottish Parliament.

Tartan Pics, I seem to recall that a woman was involved. What happened to her?

Who was that then ?

Tartan Pics, I seem to recall that a woman was involved. What happened to her?