Afghanistan

Ah, that only comes out for special occasions, like winning the Premier League and suchlike.

Back on topic now, you rascal! 😉

We did you lot a favour last Saturday.

Where do you think we will sort out next?
Iran?
Korea?

Before Fester, you had the MUFC shirt badge.

Ah, that only comes out for special occasions, like winning the Premier League and suchlike.

Back on topic now, you rascal! 😉

Before Fester, you had the MUFC shirt badge.

Your icon badge thing used to be the MUFC shirt badge.

I can’t quite recall Uncle Fester being on the MUFC shirt badge. Was that a special one-off kit?

Do you have a particular objection to cricket, old shape?

Your icon badge thing used to be the MUFC shirt badge.

Cricket :confused: Afghanistan :confused:

….apart from the Old Trafford connection:).

Do you have a particular objection to cricket, old shape?

None of those things apply to me (certainly not the “money” bit at this time of the year!) and yet most people who know me seem to think that I’m pretty civilised.

….apart from the Old Trafford connection:).

I said they will eventually become civilised, have some money, have a Blue Ray and 50 inch TV, drink Coke and eat McCrap….

None of those things apply to me (certainly not the “money” bit at this time of the year!) and yet most people who know me seem to think that I’m pretty civilised.

I don’t know how reliable the article is, but I don’t get the impression that it differs strongly from some of the information published on the MI5 home page.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/tackling-radicalisation.html

Disgruntled with the newspaper or the MI5?

I got the impression that you think that potential terrorists belong to a specific social group, something which does not seem to be the case.

Newspaper.
I have never assumed or stated anywhere that the scumbags come from any particular class. Bin Liner for a start comes from an “Old money” Saudi family.

My statement was that I agree that a change of circs. is likely to change their mind. Marriage, education, money etc. I said they will eventually become civilised, have some money, have a Blue Ray and 50 inch TV, drink Coke and eat McCrap. It then dawns on them that they have been drugged by Religious idiots with a chip on their shoulder.
They don’t have a class based brainwashing, nor could some socio-demographic classification pinpoint a target group.

That’s an MI5 report which has been whittled down to a Berg of platitudes by non other than the Gruniad.

I don’t know how reliable the article is, but I don’t get the impression that it differs strongly from some of the information published on the MI5 home page.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/tackling-radicalisation.html

However disgruntled I am with the paper, the report does state that a change of circumstances in the life of the wannabe terrorist is highly likely to change their opinion. This is what I said in that particular post.

Disgruntled with the newspaper or the MI5?

I got the impression that you think that potential terrorists belong to a specific social group, something which does not seem to be the case.

Have you seen any of the research in this field?

The making of an extremist

That’s an MI5 report which has been whittled down to a Berg of platitudes by non other than the Gruniad. However disgruntled I am with the paper, the report does state that a change of circumstances in the life of the wannabe terrorist is highly likely to change their opinion. This is what I said in that particular post.

Frankly I do see an end to their ideas.
They will eventually become civilised, have some money, have a Blue Ray and 50 inch TV, drink Coke and eat McCrap. It then dawns on them that they have been drugged by Religious idiots with a chip on their shoulder.

Have you seen any of the research in this field?

The making of an extremist

If that’s really the case then you shouldn’t even be mentioning it.

Should you?

I work on dozens of Secret, Classified, UK eyes only, Restricted and and and and. A lot of people on here do. There are Weapon Systems, Infantry Systems, Sea Systems, Air sytems. Many Projects have their very existance as secret. No names have been mentioned, and will not – until it appears on the appropriate interdoofer site.
Warton South side, qinetic, porton down etc. still exist despite this present pinko administration. All they need is a few billion Spondoolies and we can all get back to normal and have an armed force that doesn’t have to rely on the US for the massive amount of kit. Or indeed sell our brains to the US to build an F-35. The StealthHarrierYak.

To be honest, I don’t think that idea will get us very far. Do you see an end to their ideas and future recruitment?

I think it’s important to stay optimistic and never give up, but it’s also wise to be realistic. Despite lasting efforts to fight it, the terrorist threat is something we might have to live with for a long time.

Frankly I do see an end to their ideas.
They will eventually become civilised, have some money, have a Blue Ray and 50 inch TV, drink Coke and eat McCrap. It then dawns on them that they have been drugged by Religious idiots with a chip on their shoulder.

Obviously Osama Bin Liner has all this bling, but his grunts with RPG’s don’t.

Yes, the war on terror is going to be a long one. At least there will be some defence spending, it’s been poor since the Wall came down. Defence spending means research, which means a lot of spin-offs in technology for the commercial world. It also means jobs. The wall coming down has cost the European Aerospace/Defence industry more than 300,000 jobs. The Soviets “Threat” was never a real threat since the pushy-shuvvy of ’62, but it gave both sides an excuse to Arms race and develop some outstanding technology. It also fueled the Space race of course, such a program would never get passed Budget Gate 1 now.

if that means killing every last one of them, so be it.

To be honest, I don’t think that idea will get us very far. Do you see an end to their ideas and future recruitment?

I think it’s important to stay optimistic and never give up, but it’s also wise to be realistic. Despite lasting efforts to fight it, the terrorist threat is something we might have to live with for a long time.

Strong point right there. I like to admire outstanding military technology, and I have no problem when it kills the enemy for the right reasons. However, I will complain when my country’s military forces is engaged in a war, with no clear objective, and without clear justifications. For me, that is what Afghanistan is all about; there is no clear objective and no exit strategy.

I totall respect your objections, even though it was mainly Australians killed by terrorists at Bali. Terrorism against the west will be overmatched, if that means killing every last one of them, so be it.

In my opinion there is indeed very clear justification, a very clear objective. The exit strategy will be when we have left a nation that isn’t and cannot be run by scum.
(Then we need to take back most of Africa because basically since they kicked us out, just about every nation is fecked).
The Iraq scuffle was even more justified, but the wrong propaganda was used.

Even it’s name was moved to “Secret” level.

If that’s really the case then you shouldn’t even be mentioning it.

Should you?

Hopefully it will never be necessary to go to war against these countries.

You lost me. Are you trolling or are you just a little on the edge?

1st point. Indeed, it will be a big one.
2nd point, absolutely no troll. Even it’s name was moved to “Secret” level.

Yes. (Unless your going down the melted ice cap route)

Environmental security

However, I will complain when my country’s military forces is engaged in a war, with no clear objective, and without clear justifications. For me, that is what Afghanistan is all about; there is no clear objective and no exit strategy.

NATO’s role in Afghanistan

I think Jonesy’s last paragraph contains a point or two as well.