Some ‘friends’ own a small aircraft out of a grass strip in the middle of nowhere.
Said aircraft, which is definitely not a PA22 has been on a protracted annual. Virtually all the group members are therefore outside the 90 day rule.
Now, before the 90 day rule they would, being obviously rusty after such a length of time, asked another group member to join them on the first flight and monitor the pilots performance from the RH seat. Then they would swop seats and reverse roles.
Now of course they can’t.
Would you
a) Stick by the letter of the law and have six rusty pilots revalidate themselves in turn with nobody monitoring
2) Very quietly forget the rules and do it how it was always done as this may be safer?
Moggy
By: Bigglesworth - 10th June 2003 at 15:41
Insurance?…suggest that the first thing they check is their insurance, before the said six groupies arrive at airfield to re-validate themselves ‘on the quiet’… and then OMG! something goes slightly wrong…… We have all read about it i’m sure.
An instructor for a morning would be the best bet, surely? Perhaps the instructor may like to ‘borrow’ the aircraft for a day in consideration of his/her time?
Try the PFA for an instructor, there should be local ‘Strut’ (group) near you. http://www.pfa.org.uk/clubroom/struts/struts_listing.asp
By: Moggy C - 10th June 2003 at 09:29
I’m afraid we aren’t allowed the luxury of a safety pilot.
The rules are quite clear, there are only three classes of people in a GA single under JAR
Pilot (P1), Instructor, or Passenger. As you can see this wrecks EGNMs very sensible proposal (Which differed just a little from WDs original)
WD has hit the nail on the head were it not for two things. One is the scarcity of instructors here in the middle of East Anglia, the other is the virtual impossibility of getting all six groupies to the field at the given time.
🙂 Moggy
By: Whiskey Delta - 10th June 2003 at 03:50
Moggy, the rules are the same in the land of the FAA as they seem to be world of JAR. If as you said, the airport and the pilots are out in the middle of no-where then sometimes options aren’t as plenty when it comes to safety as you’ve said. The FAA has a Safety Pilot provision for certain circumstances where neither pilot is an instructor. Perhaps the JAR rules have something similar. I don’t know if that would fill your need.
I guess, get an instructor to spend an hour or so of his time to fly around the patch and that would meet everyone’s needs. Buy him/her lunch and you’ll have very few instructors pass up that offer. Flight time and a meal? Bonus! 😀
By: EGNM - 9th June 2003 at 23:04
hows about all the group members wishing to re-qualify chip in to allow the said pilot to hire the a/c for a short morings flying around 3 loacl fields, to complete his landings if he freely gives up his time to help them?
Or would that cause an riot!
By: Moggy C - 9th June 2003 at 22:39
Originally posted by Whiskey Delta
How about having 1 do the solo recurrency and have them fly with the next pilot. If nothing else you’d be able to have 1 qualified pilot in the aircraft at all times, other than the first time.
Ah! A very sensible suggestion young WD
But here we live in the land of JAR. It would be an illegal flight for the suddenly current pilot to fly with any of the others until such time as they had completed their three landings 🙁
Fun here isn’t it?
Moggy
By: Whiskey Delta - 9th June 2003 at 18:44
How about having 1 do the solo recurrency and have them fly with the next pilot. If nothing else you’d be able to have 1 qualified pilot in the aircraft at all times, other than the first time.
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