Palestine/Israel: Still one country after all?

by zeinelnour: Even when the Israelis withdrew from Gaza they spoke about painful concessions: they believed that they are giving up parts of what belongs to them.

Only so that the land would be bombed to the last drop of blood when no Israeli is living there. The world witnessed it this Christmas.

My view The Middle East will always remain as is! Some things can or will never change.

OK I’m not saying Israel is totally right but 80% of the time they are right and more than justified in their actions.

Does anybody really believe that Israel will accept ANY nation trying to do harm to her after that? Israel has never started a problem, she has just retaliated with force.

Is that so?

So instilling a regime that discriminates against non-Jews is merely a ‘retaliation with force’ (of course after ethnic cleansing)?

The construction of settlements in the West Bank is also just a ‘retaliation with force’?

Stop the “poor Israel, the victim of everything bad in this world” mantra please. It is nonsense. You know, every tyrant an oppressive regime justifies vicious acts by citing self defense.

Whilst trying to avoid departing from the original theme of this thread I will just say this.
A prominent 19th Century German philosopher once pointed out and I quote: History will teach that nations and governments do not learn from history, nor do they act upon any lessons which may be drawn from it.
The British failed to subdue the Iraquis and Afghans in the 1920s, the Soviet union failed to subdue the Afghans far more recently yet we are still trying to control them. A futile exercise in my opinion.

So, I repeat.
(a) We need another Uslter to keep the troops sharp.
(b) We still actually need to get Osama, try him in Court, to be found obviously guilty and kill him.

Back on topic, Hitler tried to remove all Jews and failed but 6m died (Plus about 7m Russians+others). Does anybody really believe that Israel will accept ANY nation trying to do harm to her after that? Israel has never started a problem, she has just retaliated with force.

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Whilst trying to avoid departing from the original theme of this thread I will just say this.
A prominent 19th Century German philosopher once pointed out and I quote: History will teach that nations and governments do not learn from history, nor do they act upon any lessons which may be drawn from it.
The British failed to subdue the Iraquis and Afghans in the 1920s, the Soviet union failed to subdue the Afghans far more recently yet we are still trying to control them. A futile exercise in my opinion.

Why do Palestinian extreme shoot rockets on israel?
Indeed…
Im not giving the Palestinians all head ups, in out of context observation, their extremist are more “bad” than Israeli ones as a matter of fact, if one counts the penny moralisation points together…
…but then again, why there are Palestinian extremist firing rockets on Israel?
Why don’t Åland extremist fire rockets to Finland??:rolleyes:

Like I said:

It wont take away all the proplems but at least it will take out the most obvious ones

To even hope for a peacefull solution, the opressive regime against Palestinians that take them as third rate citicen needs to disappear before anyone can even dream of cutting away the fuel and support for the “rocketeers”.

Oh so it’s fair game for the Palestinians to fire rockets at Israeli settlements indiscriminately but not OK for Israel to retaliate? when that happens the Palstinians go running to the UN complaining about Israel’s provocative attack. It’s long past time for them to realise they can’t have it both ways. If you want an unbiased view on this situation try reading ‘Why Blame Israel?’ and then consider that the roots of this trouble lie in the Balfour Declaration.

You are absolutely right. The root of the problem can be found in the Balfour Declaration: “His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people” with the understanding that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

The discriminatory nature of the Israeli regime is the current manifestation of this major problem. Everything else, including rockets, suicide bombs, rock attacks… are merely a result of this central problem.

The aparheid policy of Israel will fall eventually, just like it did in South Africa. It wont take away all the proplems but at least it will take out the most obvious ones. Opression which Old shape descriped will never succeed, it never had and never will in any cases.

Oh so it’s fair game for the Palestinians to fire rockets at Israeli settlements indiscriminately but not OK for Israel to retaliate? when that happens the Palstinians go running to the UN complaining about Israel’s provocative attack. It’s long past time for them to realise they can’t have it both ways. If you want an unbiased view on this situation try reading ‘Why Blame Israel?’ and then consider that the roots of this trouble lie in the Balfour Declaration.

This cannot be the case.

Neither religion has been in existence for that length of time.

You’re quite wrong about Apartheid too. For all of it’s iniquity, it had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery.

Vertical…..It’s an expression, as well you know, goddamit.

Seeing as the whites saw the blacks as inferior and only good enough for slaves in the first place, I wouldn’t say it was cultural at all, the Dutch followed by the Brits did not even recognise thet Blacks had any culture whatsoever so they couldn’t base their hatred on such.
The two situations cannot be compared. I am unfortunately correct, that the Jew cannot live near the Arab, and more so the Arab cannot live near the Jew.
So, we either give the Jews, say, California, or we sit back in peace until a rocket comes over into Israel.

Jew vs Arab is a deep cultural hatred that has been around since man stood vertical.

This cannot be the case.

Neither religion has been in existence for that length of time.

You’re quite wrong about Apartheid too. For all of it’s iniquity, it had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery.

differences between the whites and the blacks in South africa were equally deep and culture oriented as in Israel. Both are sad examples of post colonial world…euaropean decendands coming to some others lands with vague reasons and acting as masters…

Well said. Thank you.

SA apartheid was a local Black Vs white (Based on the slave trade etc.), and political thing. Jew vs Arab is a deep cultural hatred that has been around since man stood vertical. ITYF it will overcome the recent anti Israel feelings.

The aparheid policy of Israel will fall eventually, just like it did in South Africa. It wont take away all the proplems but at least it will take out the most obvious ones. Opression which Old shape descriped will never succeed, it never had and never will in any cases.

Well said. Thank you.

….You might as well expect England to combine with ( God help us ) France.

Gosh, yes.

That would be quite inconceivable…..

I take your point,but surely for all their cultural diversity those countries’ citizens were all in the loosest sense,basically South African and Indian.We’re talking about two completely different countries here. You might as well expect England to combine with ( God help us ) France.

20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. With very few exceptions, they’re peaceful, law-abiding citizens, who vote, pay taxes, & whose main complaints relate to them not being viewed as full citizens by Jewish Israelis.

The aparheid policy of Israel will fall eventually, just like it did in South Africa. It wont take away all the proplems but at least it will take out the most obvious ones. Opression which Old shape descriped will never succeed, it never had and never will in any cases.

I take your point,but surely for all their cultural diversity those countries’ citizens were all in the loosest sense,basically South African and Indian.We’re talking about two completely different countries here. You might as well expect England to combine with ( God help us ) France.

Eng and France are much closer than you think, a lot of the present anti French is just banter. And of course, it always does well to bash the French for being French…..I wish we’d stick by our guns as much as they do.

As for Arab living with Jew, never.
You may as well ask a Polar bear to live with a Seal.
There will never be peace in the MidEast until the Arabs do what Israel tells them. (And that’s not a joke line) The Israelis have bigger and better guns, and support from the free West. There will never be another fiasco as per 2007, as we saw only a few months ago. After conceding to world pressure in 2007 and Israel looking shamed, from now on if you step on Israeli toes, you’re going to get really hurt.
End of. Truth hurts.

Sad, but a fact of life. (And it keeps the Defence game busy and keeps me in a job!)

I take your point,but surely for all their cultural diversity those countries’ citizens were all in the loosest sense,basically South African and Indian.We’re talking about two completely different countries here. You might as well expect England to combine with ( God help us ) France.