My new baby!

If I may I will make a point here which is neither trying to condone or condemn gun ownership or legal use. The difference between most American hunters and some British ones is this. Your average American hunter usually owns a variety of weapons, each suited to particular uses (unless he/she only hunts one variety of animal). Just as you wouldn’t use a 6 pound lump hammer to drive panel pins you don’t use a .22LR on deer or a .308 Winchester on rats. There are some in this country who would be foolish enough to tackle anything with anything as long as it goes bang and pushes something lethal out of the business end.

I had a Lion bar once.

It tasted of chocolate and crispy stuff. It was OK, but not as nice as venison.

Moggy

I’ve consumed many a Tiger.

…. when it comes to lions and tigers etc etc, Im not sure if they taste good or not ..

I had a Lion bar once.

It tasted of chocolate and crispy stuff. It was OK, but not as nice as venison.

Moggy

Well let me just quickly say that as a hunter, the one thing that annoys me even more than “anti-hunters” are hunters that shoot and leave something to rot, or not to eat it. Obviously, there are times when you may not eat something, but many times they just want the horns or something, and that really annoys me.

But, there are grey areas, such as game management when it comes to lions and tigers etc etc, Im not sure if they taste good or not quite frankly, but from a management standpoint they have to be taken care of. But a deer? Please…..some of the best tasting steaks Ive ever had have come from a nice buck or doe, theres no need to just shoot one and leave it.

Its safe to say that guns in the Uk don’t really sit well with the Uk public, if i said i shot 10 rabbits this morning with my rifle to prevent them eating veggie food and another guy said i killed 80 rabbits this morning by gassing them or ferreting the shooter would always be the bad guy. At the back of tattershall castle there is a small field were i walk the dogs and its heaving with rabbits, the field is full of holes and the rabbits now occupy the grave yard with holes alongside graves. People put little fences around the plots but it does’nt deter the innocent little creatures. So in this instance do you need to control the innocent creatures or let them carry on diggin. Hunting for conservation and control is one thing, hunting for fun is not acceptable but then i dont think there are any shoots in this country that would let you shoot a stag for fun and then just leave it there to rot or bleed to death.

Law abiding citizens of this nanny state have to jump through hoops to get a gun and our kids cant even play with toy ones in the street, yet gun crime has gone through the roof. Still i suppose restricting law abiding folk is better than chasing armed gangs cos that costs money and it might be dangerous.

Here you go chuck just for you

KILL THE HUNTERS!!!! that should get it going abit lol 😀

Wow, not to stir the pot, but this thread died a sudden death. There were some good discussions on both sides, pro hunting/anti-hunting, and then there was me preaching the US 2nd amendment (I have no problem admitting that, but to me, its all interconnected).

Anyways, if this thread/discussion is dead, so be it, but I was just getting warmed up :diablo:

Gosh – I looked away for a couple of days and the debate got really interesting – partly because of the grey areas (The ones Moggy mentioned not the esteemed mod)

I agree with the view that hunting purely for sport is wrong. But then I live by a rule that if I couldn’t kill it then I don’t eat it. BTW that makes me a pescatarian. I also like to think that I’m tolerant enough to accept that if you want to eat it and you can kill it, then fine – each to his own.

Clearing animals from airfields, and managing deer through culling doesn’t easily fit my simple logic but I wouldn’t object to them. Partly because the alternative plan, to reintroduce wolves to the Scottish Highlands, I find fascinating and frightening in equal measure.

And I don’t understand the need to hunt foxes in areas of arable farming.

Nothing in my post, except the last line, was opinion.

It was all fact.

Moggy

Moggy you are going to say that because thats your oppinion but just let us have ours and stop questioning it

the more we go on about it the boring its going to become

what cestrian is saying and which i totally agree with is that hunting for food produce is more acceptable than sport hunting where a pack of boring old poms go out on there horses to hunt fox’s with there dogs … its banned in this country now and there is a reason for that , because its a cruel sport

hunting for food however is a fact of life to live. If you are a hunter and prefer to hunt your food then thats up to you.

Regarding people saying that im not letting people have there oppinion is absolutely not true , everybody should be allowed an oppinion and ive never stopped that.

Rob

What I think Bristol Rob is trying to say is that hunting just for pleasure is wrong and I agree with him.Hunting for food for existence is totally different

Those are two clear cut extremes.

But you have casually ignored the grey middle ground.

Most deer stalking in this country is to do with herd management. Without their natural predators, Wolves being extinct in this country other than football stadia, if we are to have healthy deer herds they have to be culled.

The farmers who own, or on whose land, the deer are establish an additional income stream by selling off the shooting / slaughtering of the animals. If they did not do this it would be necessary to employ professional marksmen at whatever they happened to charge.

Now the hobby hunter is doing it for pleasure

The marksman as a job

Precisely what difference does this make to the deer?

The meat is all sold. Nobody needs it for existence these days, but then nobody actually needs meat at all, we could all survive on a vegetarian diet.

Too much vague thinking surrounds this topic.

Moggy

What I think Bristol Rob is trying to say is that hunting just for pleasure is wrong and I agree with him.Hunting for food for existence is totally different,but as you say everyone has a right to their own opinion and I totally accept that.

There that sums its up thanks cestrian

ps………… Apology accepted, Chuck. :diablo:

Thank you oh wise one, I do not want to tick off the mod gods 😀

What I think Bristol Rob is trying to say is that hunting just for pleasure is wrong and I agree with him.Hunting for food for existence is totally different,but as you say everyone has a right to their own opinion and I totally accept that.

When an animal in the wild is injured people still help it

Then you can’t really claim to want animals to live as they do in the wild, can you? You can’t have it both ways, Rob.

What I think you probably do mean is that you just don’t agree with hunting.

There’s no reason why you shouldn’t hold that opinion, and your opinion is as good as anyone else’s.

But it’s no better than anyone else’s either. 🙂

ps………… Apology accepted, Chuck. :diablo:

I think the issue here is that whilst the vast majority of gun owners may be responsible people, the minority who are not can cause tremendous and disproportionate suffering to both humans and animals. Where a society like America allows such widespread ownership of guns, it must surely increase the likelihood of those weapons falling into the hands of the unbalanced or disaffected, with the tragic results we see all too often. Sadly, and to the bewilderment of much of the rest of the World, the US seems to regard that as a price worth paying. :confused:

I’m not sure what you see outside the states in regards to what happens often here. Sure there have been campus shootings and madmen running the streets of LA, but those occurrences are few and far between.

What you probably see (and I’m taking a stab at it here) is the murders in the major cities in this country. One reason I would expect this is because that is all that I see. I live about 40 miles outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Last year its murder rate was well over 1 per day. Most of the murders had to do with gangs and drugs. The sad part is that the victims are more often than not innocent bystanders. If these druggies shot straight and only killed each other, I don’t think anyone would have a problem with it.

The problem is the police force is not large enough, aren’t always, ehhh lets just say, doing their best. On top of this, Philadelphia has very tough gun control laws, where the average citizen who lives in the city isn’t allowed to own some weapons or carry some. Again, as I pointed out in my earlier post, if you can not defend yourself from the scum of society, what else can you do? Go and Vote? And to take a line from the New York City Mayor, Michael Bloomberg who was asked about people not being able to buy/own a handgun in NYC he said “We have the best police force in the world, there is no need for someone to own a gun.” Now I’m not knocking the NYPD, but the police can not be everywhere at every time. So what are we supposed to do? Sit and hope and pray?

I think not, I would much rather have the ability to defend myself if needed. The gun problem in the US is not widespread, even though I’m sure that idea goes against all conventional wisdom. The gun problem, the murders, are only in a certain group of this country. And it does bother me to say this, but as you said this “problem” is something a lot of Americans are willing to live with. Not because we don’t care, but because we will not tolerate a loss of our individual rights in order to (the key word)”possibly” address a serious problem in a certain group of society.

I could further discuss this, but I don’t wanna take up more of my time at this moment. However, I will further discuss this at any future point if anyone is interested 😀

this post on here has actually made this site not very enjoyable anymore after all this is suppose to be a aviation forum hence the name the aviation forum

sad really

Ehhh not to be rude Bristol Rob, but does your computer automatically bring you to this thread when you log on to KeyPub? Because if it doesn’t, your opinion, IMHO, quite simply sums up who you are. And who you are is fine, but It makes sense of everything. I’m a pro-gun, bible toting hick, but I’m willing to discuss this further, whats up with you?

BTW, isn’t this thread posted in the GENERAL DISCUSSION area of the forum? I may have to go back to school…..what does General Discussion actually entail? Maybe a mod could help me out, I wouldn’t want to break any forum rules.

Oh and if sarcasm isn’t allowed I apologize in advance.

ok

paul i understand that and as ive sent over and over again every1 has there own oppinion all i said was GRRRR@HUNTING nobody needed to react on that . that was just my oppinion on the post

this post on here has actually made this site not very enjoyable anymore afterall this is suppose to be a aviation forum hence the name the aviation forum

sad really

Oh, come on, Rob! If you walk through life with that attitude you’re going to have a hard time, mate!

People will, at times, think differently to you. I know you said GRRRR@HUNTING; you were expressing your opinion and you’re perfectly entitled to do so, but all other people are doing is expressing their reasons and logic for thinking differently to you! No-one’s even vaguely implying you shouldn’t say what you think, nor is anyone saying you’re wrong for doing so but what you do have to accept is that whenever you express an ‘opinion’, you can be sure someone out there, somewhere, will want to question it!

Paul

P.S. Just as a quick note, you can’t really post 5 or 6 replies on the subject and then say it’s an aviation forum! 😀

When an animal in the wild is injured people still help it

RSPCA have a large number of cases to do with wildlife

it dosent matter whether there pets or not they can still be treated if there in the wild

paul i understand that and as ive sent over and over again every1 has there own oppinion all i said was GRRRR@HUNTING nobody needed to react on that . that was just my oppinion on the post

this post on here has actually made this site not very enjoyable anymore afterall this is suppose to be a aviation forum hence the name the aviation forum

sad really

Im an animal lover why would i be against vet’s :confused:

A couple of postings ago, you said that you wanted animals to live as they do in the wild.

There are no vets in the wild.