What is this world coming to?

Laviticus.

I agree. I await your apology.

regards,

kev35

Expected nothing less from you:D 😀 😀

Laviticus.

Not anti Police. But in my experience they have been reluctant to carry out their duties. And yes, I have been in positions where the presence of two tone sirens would have been welcomed. But they didn’t arrive.

I agree. I await your apology.

regards,

kev35

Ah Laviticus, I fear we have been here before, in a position where you know nought of which you speak.

I know more than you realise,seen as ive been there in amongst it.
I find your anti police stance quite odd,but my be you’ve never been in a situation where the sound of those two tones come as a relief.

So, Laviticus, with all due respect, don’t accuse others of lying unless you have evidence to back up such claims.

Regards,

kev35

Kev35 I never accused you off lying and an apology would be appreciated.

Ah Laviticus, I fear we have been here before, in a position where you know nought of which you speak.

Not community tittle tattle but fact, as related by several PC’s and PCSO’s. Not all are bad apples but there are enough to make others question the worth of doing what they do.

As to your second point, a number of the vehicles parked are those of which you speak. I often go through the town late at night and the Police presence is minimal, and is certainly not sufficient for any of the regular late night crowd trouble which occurs when you get too many young people, in too small a space, with too much alcohol and a deficiency in brain cells.

I’ve related the story before, but I see nothing to change my opinion that the same Police attitudes are still prevalent in my area. I was working a night shift in a warehouse, we often had Police Officers call in for a drink of coffee or to get some food. One night a PC was in our canteen when he received a call from the Station to assist a colleague whose location was half a mile away and who was being attacked. His response to the call was to state that he couldn’t assist as he was investigating suspicious activity on an industrial estate. He then returned to his newspaper and coffee. This Officer later left the Police after being caught siphoning petrol from patrol cars on several occasions and for making the community fund cash disappear. He was never charged with any offence, just asked if he’d mind leaving.

Or the night when the burglars had a field day because of the simple fact that 60 odd uniformed Officers were present at a murder scene even though the murderer was arrested at the scene. Several houses in my street were burgled, just 300 yards from this posse of Officers, and an attempt was made to break into my house. I disturbed the burglar before he managed to force entry. On phoning the Police an Officer was finally despatched two hours later and from a Police Authority ten miles away. By which time the burglar had had a really successful night and was probably tucked up safely in bed laughing his head off.

So, Laviticus, with all due respect, don’t accuse others of lying unless you have evidence to back up such claims.

Regards,

kev35

The Police regularly fail to respond when called. In a heavily Muslim populated area, police were called to an incident in which an elderly white man was attacked by Asian youths. There was NO Police response for over an hour. A racially motivated attack against an Asian youth by two white lads resulted in the area being swamped by Police and the tasking of not one, but two Police helicopters.

With all due respect do you know all the details of the above cases or is it just community tittle tattle.

On Saturday nights there are as many as twenty Police vehicles parked on the forecourt of the Station. On a quiet Sunday afternoon in Summer they are all out on patrol.

That’s because the majority of officers are crammed into the back of response vehicles IE vans or mini buses,usualy because most late night town center incidents take more than one police constable to deal with.

James.

“I am 20 and I also got told Stories like that by my Nan and Grandad and think what bloody great days they where you could do anything without being attacked, knifed or shoot so wish they where the days now”

Yes, but that’s only partly true isn’t it? Despite the death penalty being in force in the good old days there were still a fair few murders. The older generations like to gloss over such facts as they hanker back to the perceived ‘halcyon’ days of their youth, as Grey Area pointed out, that point of view has existed since the time of Socrates. Those of us who are, ahem, over 40 shall we say, are already looking back through rose tinted glasses at the days of our own youth. But I don’t think we’re being objective about it. It’s the nature of reminiscence. If you want to go back the the real ‘good old days’ of the 20’s, 30’s and 40’s, don’t forget we had such gems as Scarlet Fever, Pertussis, Rickets, Diphtheria, Tuberculosis et al to contend with. Look at infant mortality figures or the prevalence of children who were considered ‘backward’, not because they had no education but because of an intellectual deficit. Look at the way we imprisoned teenage women in mental institutions for the ‘crime’ of having a baby out of wedlock, people placed permanently in institutions for petty theft, people who were then turned out into the Community in their declining years due to the policy of Care in the Community, for the Community and BY the Community. Of course, it was nothing to do with the simple fact that LA’s wanted to sell the land for development.

The good old days were not always as good as we (selectively) remember.

“Think Parents have no control over there teenages now days I think the Police have to be more strick and less of the book”

What utter tosh. Some parents have no control of their children, that is patently obvious, however, it is unfair to tar all with one brush.

jbritchford.

The point is surely that the Police are there to enforce the law? They are happy to join up and collect their wages but in my experience, many of them are not interested in the job and have no sense of the duty which comes with the job. We regularly have racially motivated disturbances in my area, usually between differing Muslim factions. The Police regularly fail to respond when called. In a heavily Muslim populated area, police were called to an incident in which an elderly white man was attacked by Asian youths. There was NO Police response for over an hour. A racially motivated attack against an Asian youth by two white lads resulted in the area being swamped by Police and the tasking of not one, but two Police helicopters.

These are just examples of Police behaviour in a town of almost a quarter of a million people. A town where on Friday and Saturday nights the Police presence is reduced to a bare minimum, parts of the town centre are locked to traffic to ensure that those who wish to intoxicate themselves to the point of stupidity are in no danger from traffic. On Saturday nights there are as many as twenty Police vehicles parked on the forecourt of the Station. On a quiet Sunday afternoon in Summer they are all out on patrol.

The whole point is that none of this is a black and white issue, it is just millions of shades of grey. Not sure about this but didn’t someone famous once say something along the lines of people only get the leadership they deserve? That is very true. People complain about the rights of the criminal being greater than that of the victim and in many cases that’s true. But who’s fault is it that the Police are powerless, the Judiciary are tied to pathetic sentencing and that we have an NHS which is in meltdown? We have the Governments we have voted for. People complain that a burglar can sue a householder for assault in self defence. And so we should complain. But those same people are the very ones who are happy to sue the Council for tripping over a paving slab or get half a million pounds in compensation for an RSI injury through typing!

It’s our world, if it’s going to hell in a handbasket then I suspect, sadly, it’s no-one’s fault but our own.

Regards,

kev35

…..Think Parents have no control over there teenages now days :mad:….

The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, they show disrespect to their elders…. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and are tyrants over their teachers.

😎

Hi all.

Yes Bex, I agree with you, the police had more control in the old days. When I was growing up in the late thirties, we used to play football in the street with a tennis ball. I f the local bobby came round and caught us he would put his penknife throught he ball and the nearest kid would get a cuff across the ear. Oh that those days could come back.

Ken

Ken/Paul I am 20 and I also got told Stories like that by my Nan and Grandad and think what bloody great days they where you could do anything without being attacked, knifed or shoot so wish they where the days now 🙁

Don’t worry Bex, abuse or not, I would have run back and dived in to save them

I would make them suffer then save them when they are going blue in the face 😀

What the bloody hell are their parents about, sending their little kids out on a big bike, no helmets, nothing.

Think Parents have no control over there teenages now days 😡 I think the Police have to be more strick and less of the book

The thing that – really P*sses me off is when Yobs attack OAP and when War Vetrans are mobed of there pennys when giving out poppys for Remembrance Day 😡

James

In defense of police officers themselves, several of whom i am very close to, they themselves see what is going on and would like nothing better than to be able to sort out the filth that lines the streets.

However, they are forced to do anything with one arm tied behind their backs. They are judged for everything they do, by bosses who have been more concerned with climbing the ladder than competence at work. If any complaints are made against them, officers are treated worse than criminals, with disciplinary action requiring no proof, only a likelihood that the accusation is true.

On top of this, the crown prosecution service is utterly useless, so much so that solicitors advise many of their clients to say no comment in interviews, since there is a fair chance the CPS will lose the file anyway.

Even if cases get to court, then pathetic sentences are handed out, only which half of which will ever be served anyway, in prisons where the inmates are treated rather too well. I have heard of one prison where guards were ordered by the governor to go out and buy a chocolate bar and bottle of cola for each of the inmates to avert a riot, as there are nowhere near enough guards to maintain order.

The situation we face is PC “do-gooders” running everything, with little or no idea of the real world, who hire legions of unneeded middle management that adds layers of bureaucracy the soviet union would be proud of.

What is to be done?

Hi all.

Yes Bex, I agree with you, the police had more control in the old days. When I was growing up in the late thirties, we used to play football in the street with a tennis ball. I f the local bobby came round and caught us he would put his penknife throught he ball and the nearest kid would get a cuff across the ear. Oh that those days could come back.

Ken

Ken, I’m only 26, but those days sound wonderful. I remember stories my grandparents told me about what life was like around that time and I can’t help but wonder what on Earth went wrong. I have to say though, it does seem to be more of a British problem. I feel less safe in my own city where I’ve lived all my life than I do in the vast majority of places I’ve been abroad, which is a little worrying!

Paul

A few months back I was riding my back home from my Auntie’s – Some young lads (13/14) came up and tried nicking my bike 😀 They soon ran off when I punched one of them in the jaw (Im 16).

A few weeks back my Dad got a call out to a job in Cheetham Hill (Says it all) – Basically who works for quie a big company who do maintenace on council houses and other houses. When he got there the door was wide open (It had been kicked open) so he whent in and there was an Iranian family in there terrified. He goes off to get his tools and when he comes back a guy came in with a gun and helf them hostage for around an hour. Someone over the road had seen what had been going on and rang the Police – Because he had a gun they waited an hour for armed response while the Helicoper was hovering over the house. The guy still got away, although he was arrested later on – It was over the Iranians complaining to the guy about load music! :rolleyes:

If you want the Police to come straight away when scumbags are at your front door, just phone them and when they say “they’ve nobody available”,
just say it’s ok I have a gun so i’m going to Shoot a couple of them. And when they arrive two minutes later mob handed and say “you said you had a Gun”, just say “you said you’ve nobody available”:D

The old days.

Hi all.

Yes Bex, I agree with you, the police had more control in the old days. When I was growing up in the late thirties, we used to play football in the street with a tennis ball. I f the local bobby came round and caught us he would put his penknife throught he ball and the nearest kid would get a cuff across the ear. Oh that those days could come back.

Ken

Where are these guns coming from, seriously? Surely there’s not some factory winding away in the English countryside. Borders need sorting me thinks.

Pete, Ive had a thought about your last post, a sort of what if as it were.

Youve just warned the boys about the folly of their antics, been abused by them so off you go, however as you walk off they get into trouble and shout for help. Now, bearing in mind theyve just hurled abuse at you you would be well justified to walk on and ignore them, so you do……….. there might have been witnesses who would recount to the police & press that “a man walking his dog had a heated discussion with the boys and just walked off” no mention of you warning them about the dangers or the fact that they hurled abuse at you, and what happens, Pete gets hammered by the press & society.

As I say just a thought.

Bex

Don’t worry Bex, abuse or not, I would have run back and dived in to save them, even though I’m a crap swimmer and hate cold water, I did it for one of my dogs once in the same spot.
Another little incident last week, kids roar about on mini bikes and more, down the river, and I can hear one now, the police actually take a dim view of this and spent a weekend doing everyone they found.
I was walking the dogs as usual when 2 kids appeared on a track bike, they dissapeared, but walking round a corner, there they were.
They were really nice kids, loved the dogs, and we had a chat, they had no protective gear, nothing and had a frigging great bike, I pointed out that the police tended to clamp down hard on this and would confiscate their bikes, they were about 8 or 9 years old, hadn’t a clue that what they were doing was against the law. What the bloody hell are their parents about, sending their little kids out on a big bike, no helmets, nothing.
They are the one’s who deserve a good kicking, bloody irresponsible parents, but at least they were nice kids, and we had a good chat.
But then again, you talk to kids and get branded as a peaodophile, as my missus pointed out, hopefully, my scout leaders file will justify my concern, but everything is dodgy these days.

My nephew (18) went out 2 weeks ago to a friends party. Got lost on the way there, saw a lad who he knew so asked him directions. What happened next was a surprise. Lad kicked the door, as the window was down he caught my nephews jaw – this lad then punched my nephew several times. He drove home, my sister was horrified – as he told her what had happened. She phoned the police and they said wait a couple of days for any brusing to come out – would look more impressive when they came to take photos. Nephew spent a few hours in hospital – broken jaw, broken cheek bone, broken nose and trapped nerve around the mouth so he cant feel his teeth. This 17 year old lad that attacked my nephew has previous so stabbing someone at the age of 14! What is happening? Nephew now awaiting corrective surgery.

And to top it all, my boy, a very intelligent, sensible kid at Uni, was driving through Safron Walden last year with a bunch of mates, one of whom produced a bright green plastic water pistol and guess what, they were pulled over and arrested for having an offensive weapon, can you believe it, what is going on here, my son delivered it to the police station with great humility, and there it stays, university kids threatening the public with a bright green flourescent water pistol, I give up.

I can tell a similar story about a drummer in a Scottish rock band with a ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’ branded plastic musket. But I won’t….:D

What if??

Pete, Ive had a thought about your last post, a sort of what if as it were.

Youve just warned the boys about the folly of their antics, been abused by them so off you go, however as you walk off they get into trouble and shout for help. Now, bearing in mind theyve just hurled abuse at you you would be well justified to walk on and ignore them, so you do……….. there might have been witnesses who would recount to the police & press that “a man walking his dog had a heated discussion with the boys and just walked off” no mention of you warning them about the dangers or the fact that they hurled abuse at you, and what happens, Pete gets hammered by the press & society.

As I say just a thought.

Bex

Hmmmm, I live in a pleasant North Essex town, our road is a typical middle class surburban row with the bonus of beautiful countryside and river walks at the bottom of the garden. The junky scum are a minority, they know it’s a safe bet to lurk and deal down here. It would be simple for the police to wade in and sort them out, but do they, no way.
You’ll like this, last evening, I took the dogs for a walk down the river and a couple of little kids, aged about 8 or 9 were stripped to their underpants and diving in the river off the bridge over the wier, dangerous thing to do.
I said, ‘Blimey kids, it must be cold in there’.
The retort, ‘What the f#### it got to do with you’, and more, nice one, would you have said that to a alledgely fit and young looking 56 year old, wish I’d taken my 13 year old with me, he could probably got away with punching their lights out, they deserved it, with that attitude what hope is there. At least my kids are respectful, but streetwise and bloody sane, and big enough to kick ass when they need to, but it doesn’t help when the scum have a knife or a gun. Hopefully, this sad episode in Liverpool may produce some results.
And to top it all, my boy, a very intelligent, sensible kid at Uni, was driving through Safron Walden last year with a bunch of mates, one of whom produced a bright green plastic water pistol and guess what, they were pulled over and arrested for having an offensive weapon, can you believe it, what is going on here, my son delivered it to the police station with great humility, and there it stays, university kids threatening the public with a bright green flourescent water pistol, I give up.

Can you lend me some weapons Bex, I’d like to take out the drug dealing junky filth round here that the police won’t do anything about, when my 65 year old father in law was innocently taking the dogs for a walk last week, he was threatened, what did the police do, f### all.
They prefer to attempt to hunt them down from the safety of a helicopter, that really works doesn’t it, nor does the ‘secret tatty van full of coppers’ that we crack up with laughing every time we pass it innocently parked up the road.
Go in bloody hard, thats my motto, but they won’t, my neighbours are getting too frightened to go out, my problem is that I won’t be bullied by these s#### so I could end up as another statistic, we’ll see what happens, I’m being careful, don’t worry, I’ll put sulphuric acid in with the veggy oil next time I pour it on their meeting place and hopefully burn their b###### off.

Pete, sorry to hear about how things are going down hill, youre right about the coppers, same down here, never around when u want one. Id lend you some if i could LoL but my playing war days are over, but what I can say is the thousands of kids I tought over the years always treated firearms with respect. Theres a grotty estate near my dad in Croydon, and I found his car keyed a couple of months ago, and no guesses how it happened. Not bad for a car parked in a disabled bay outside his house. Its a good job my dad has had a stroke, coz I know darn well if he saw them they wouldnt do it again thats for sure and I er speak from experience. Short version, at the age of 13 dont loose ya temper with a soldier whose ya dad and tell him to F off, couldnt sit down for a week 🙁 I never did it again though. Bring back the days when a Bobby could give a little oik a clip round the ear and maybe it would bring back the respect the police had when I was a kid. Bex