UK Members, Pay as you drive.

You can oppose it as much as you want, it wont make the slightest difference. Nobody opposed the proliferation of cameras, in Towns and Cities. So I don’t see much opposition to road pricing. After all, the British people love to pay taxes, and be tracked wherever they go.
The government wants to reduce, rush hour motorway congestion, and road pricing seems to them, the best way to achieve this.
They would also like to see, companies introduce flexible working hours for their employees, which would also help to alleviate rush hour traffic.
Bring back the good old days, when a lot of people were employed more locally, to where they lived.
No chance of that of course, as the service industry is the major employer, and a result of that is traffic, lots of it.
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And if you don’t pay you will be frog marched off to a tube train and executed with HSE approved bullets.

Ali

You could buy yourself one of those Harley Davidson Motorbikes. Get kitted up in bikers gear, including shades, grow a beard, build up your physique, and act real mean. I am sure bikers will be exempt from road pricing, and that would include you.

What, not dress up like a Chav Biker eh?!
(sorry, see another thread. He has a problem with bikers)

Maybe posted replies are thin on the ground, but if everyone who read this emailed the message out, who knows how many people signed as a result. There may be apathy, but once this started hitting the media, the Downing Street website crashed under the load. Being negative over influencing government thinking is gonna get us screwed even more. Vote with your feet. If Joe Public can’t be bothered, god help us all.

Incidentally I have no objection per se to paying by the mile as long as fuel duty and road tax are scrapped, and the fees are reasonable. I DO object to being spied upon when minding my own business, and I sure as hell do not need a robot sending out speeding tickets. If that happens, we will all be walking, because no-one can say they have never broken the speed limit on occasion. 4 times 3 points and that’s it! You could lose your license on one journey over unfamiliar territory, and miss just one speed limit sign.

That’s a good point of yours, regarding being spied upon. The worrying thing these days, is that a lot of young people don’t mind being spied upon. They take the view that, if you haven’t done anything wrong, there is nothing to worry about. I take the other view, I don’t like being spied upon. I come from an era ,when there were no cameras. Glad I experienced what it felt like then, to be a free individual, without some camera looking at me.
Once road pricing starts, we will be tracked 24/7, this is what is known as a police state.
You have admitted yourself, you wont mind paying per mile, so I rest my case. Everyone else will think like that, once it’s introduced.
Britain has changed so much, from what it used to be, it’s quite sad really.
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Maybe posted replies are thin on the ground, but if everyone who read this emailed the message out, who knows how many people signed as a result. There may be apathy, but once this started hitting the media, the Downing Street website crashed under the load. Being negative over influencing government thinking is gonna get us screwed even more. Vote with your feet. If Joe Public can’t be bothered, god help us all.

Incidentally I have no objection per se to paying by the mile as long as fuel duty and road tax are scrapped, and the fees are reasonable. I DO object to being spied upon when minding my own business, and I sure as hell do not need a robot sending out speeding tickets. If that happens, we will all be walking, because no-one can say they have never broken the speed limit on occasion. 4 times 3 points and that’s it! You could lose your license on one journey over unfamiliar territory, and miss just one speed limit sign.

This has just made the Television news, over 1 million have now signed up!

The Govt. say they welcome the input from the populace, but it would not necessarily sway policy. Perhaps they should read the writing on the wall.

Thanks to all who have signed to date, and continue to spread the word.

Road taxing is coming, because it’s a great way to make some money. Nothing will sway the government on this one, that’s for sure. Ok, so 1 million people sign a petition, against it. But how many people on the Aviation Forum have posted comments about it? very few, I think you’ll agree. Such is the level of interest, shown on this subject.
As usual,as with most things in this country, Joe public will go along with it.
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This has just made the Television news, over 1 million have now signed up!

The Govt. say they welcome the input from the populace, but it would not necessarily sway policy. Perhaps they should read the writing on the wall.

Thanks to all who have signed to date, and continue to spread the word.

I imagine the ‘tracker’ will be wired into the ignition circuit. No signal, no start.
Your mileage will be tracked and compared to the odometer when the car has it’s MOT.

This is SPYING on a major scale. Perhaps we should all drive into, and gridlock the major cities for a week or so, like the French do. That should have an effect.

Petition signed and passed on.

As motorists are already taxed until the pips squeek will this lead to a reduction in car tax / fuel duty / insurance etc – I doubt it.

People have been saying for years that they would give up car travel if there was a viable alternative and at the moment that is looking very unlikely.
Far better to put a mileage charge onto fuel as that way those who do the most miles shouls pay the most. It may also have an additional benefit of encouraging those with larger cars (ie poor mpg) to downsize.

No doubt somebody will invent something to block whatever signal this tracking device emits and I predict this will be a bestseller.

Of course, if the Government could persuade companies not to locate themsleves in major conurbations, but insteda encourage them to spread the UK employment more widely over facilities spread throughout the whole country, not only would traffic and travel congestion be eased, but many areas of the country currently suffering from the perils of acting as dormitory towns (rather than having their own local economy), might benefit by the increase in the local daytime economy.

That said, I wouldn’t want my green and unspoilt patch of the south downs to disappear under grey urban sprawl as it spills out of Brighton or Crawley

In theory I could avoid my 60 mile round trip by car every day, as I live near one railway station, and I work near one on the same line. However, the overcrowded, expensive, and noisy trains, which are frequently late (due to the ever growing list of excuses -Wrong sort of snow, wrong sort of rain, leaves on the line, rails buckled due to the hot weather, problems further up/down the line, trees on the line, staff absence, adverse weather etc etc etc), and the lack of frequent services (only two an hour), mean I would rather sit in my own car, listening to my choice of noise (radio), and without being forced to listen to loudmouths who seem to think that they need to shout into their mobiles (presumably out of a belief that all around them will be impressed).

Give me a decent public transport alternative, and yes I’d happily leave the car at home most days, but until the public service option is reliable, and costs no more per day/mile than my personal chariot then I’ll stay on the roads. Road charges might change my mind, but then I’ll simply ask to work flexi-time, or be based at home – at present my employer will not accept either suggestion, so instead I have little choice but to join the time-wasting and eco-unfriendly lemming-like rush each morning and evening.

Paul F

You could buy yourself one of those Harley Davidson Motorbikes. Get kitted up in bikers gear, including shades, grow a beard, build up your physique, and act real mean. I am sure bikers will be exempt from road pricing, and that would include you.
As regards the railways, during the steam engine era, this country used to have the best railway system in the world, where men were men and not wimps.
No problems with rails buckling, because they weren’t welded together, and there was none of this computerised signalling rubbish, just good old fashioned signal boxes. We used to take pride in our railways, because most of the freight was transported by rail, therefore it was important to have an efficient railway system. 😉

Of course, if the Government could persuade companies not to locate themsleves in major conurbations, but insteda encourage them to spread the UK employment more widely over facilities spread throughout the whole country, not only would traffic and travel congestion be eased, but many areas of the country currently suffering from the perils of acting as dormitory towns (rather than having their own local economy), might benefit by the increase in the local daytime economy.

That said, I wouldn’t want my green and unspoilt patch of the south downs to disappear under grey urban sprawl as it spills out of Brighton or Crawley

In theory I could avoid my 60 mile round trip by car every day, as I live near one railway station, and I work near one on the same line. However, the overcrowded, expensive, and noisy trains, which are frequently late (due to the ever growing list of excuses -Wrong sort of snow, wrong sort of rain, leaves on the line, rails buckled due to the hot weather, problems further up/down the line, trees on the line, staff absence, adverse weather etc etc etc), and the lack of frequent services (only two an hour), mean I would rather sit in my own car, listening to my choice of noise (radio), and without being forced to listen to loudmouths who seem to think that they need to shout into their mobiles (presumably out of a belief that all around them will be impressed).

Give me a decent public transport alternative, and yes I’d happily leave the car at home most days, but until the public service option is reliable, and costs no more per day/mile than my personal chariot then I’ll stay on the roads. Road charges might change my mind, but then I’ll simply ask to work flexi-time, or be based at home – at present my employer will not accept either suggestion, so instead I have little choice but to join the time-wasting and eco-unfriendly lemming-like rush each morning and evening.

Paul F

It will be opposed precisely for those ‘Orwellian’ reasons and good on George for writing that book way back in the day… And if it isn’t I’ll be Che Guevara’s uncle…:D

You can oppose it as much as you want, it wont make the slightest difference. Nobody opposed the proliferation of cameras, in Towns and Cities. So I don’t see much opposition to road pricing. After all, the British people love to pay taxes, and be tracked wherever they go.
The government wants to reduce, rush hour motorway congestion, and road pricing seems to them, the best way to achieve this.
They would also like to see, companies introduce flexible working hours for their employees, which would also help to alleviate rush hour traffic.
Bring back the good old days, when a lot of people were employed more locally, to where they lived.
No chance of that of course, as the service industry is the major employer, and a result of that is traffic, lots of it.
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Problem is, it’s a nice little money earner, and the opposition might do the same, sooner or later. This is a governments dream coming true, BIG BROTHER is watching you. No petition will stop this from happening, it’s coming, and no one can stop it.
It will be interesting to see, if this new technology catches, car tax and Insurance dodgers. As well as keeping an eye on illegal migrant drivers.
Happy motoring.
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It will be opposed precisely for those ‘Orwellian’ reasons and good on George for writing that book way back in the day… And if it isn’t I’ll be Che Guevara’s uncle…:D

I heard about this too…

I think it’s called “How to lose an election in one easy step” ?:eek:

Problem is, it’s a nice little money earner, and the opposition might do the same, sooner or later. This is a governments dream coming true, BIG BROTHER is watching you. No petition will stop this from happening, it’s coming, and no one can stop it.
It will be interesting to see, if this new technology catches, car tax and Insurance dodgers. As well as keeping an eye on illegal migrant drivers.
Happy motoring.
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I heard about this too…

I think it’s called “How to lose an election in one easy step” ?:eek: