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Kenneth Williams my reply

Sorry I will understand if this in deleted or locked, however I feel the need to respond to Mr Williams claims on his website concerning any actions I have taken disprove his Bader Enigma Theories, I hope that the mods will bear with me as I have no other way of getting the message across as emails fall on deaf ears and I am not going to set up a seperate website to contradict him, so I ask that you bear with me :-

The Story of Ian Le Sueur – EN-830 – Latent Neo Nazi?

I must confess at the outset, that this “expose” of Ian Le Sueur the man behind EN-830’s conspiratorial attacks upon me and my reputation, whose name, address and other details you will be able to easily find on the Internet, does not (So you now finally agree that at no time have I hidden my identity). give me any feeling of satisfaction but more of one of pity. This man, sadly, is his own worst enemy, and is not only that, but is also a complete and utter fool, not only because of the damage he has attempted to inflict upon me, but for what he has now inflicted for all time, upon himself (Can you show me where this has occurred)?

How many of my readers would in their right minds, publish extensively to the internet their full name, full home address, telephone number, personal e-mail address of the none “freebie” type and finally, some details of friends and relatives with some photos? (So again you agree that at no time have I hidden my indentity, contradictory yet again)
Mr. Le Sueur did, obviously in the mistaken belief that the Internet is inhabited by sugar plum fairies, and the good witch of the South – Sad to say it has a goodly share of Hob Goblins under the control of the bad witch from the North.(I also believe that it is a hotbed or conspiracy bullsh#t and claptrap, that is and can be easily disproved)

Mr. Le Sueur deliberately and methodically sought out my Bader Enigma website (A lie, you posted on Keypublishing advertising your website, you in fact led me to the story) and after the most cursory examination of my narrative made the decision that my story was rubbish and that it was his prime goal in life to do everything he could to undermine, ridicule, lampoon, suppress and bully me both on the AVIATION FORUM and by menacing E-mails demanding that I provide him with information so that he could then go out of his way to attempt to disprove what I had said. ( Another blatant lie, I have never demanded information from you, I have passed on details that put your observations into context and given you firm dates that prove that what you saw or claim to have seen were not in 1942.)

Mr. Le Sueur without my permission, copied LARGE (transient) sections of my website to the various Forums whereupon he proceed to ridicule my work (Lie, I posted your constant updates whereby you threw vitriolic remarks at me and other internet members) and attempted to discredit even the most minor details of my story. In this pastime he was aided and abetted by his ubiquitous and self serving accomplice WEB-PILOT. (WEB-PILOT is not an accomplice his identity is unknown to me, I’m sure Keypublishing should they choose to do so, could take action against you for infringement of their copyright.)

On two occasions and on two Forums, Moderators were forced to lock down the discussion “thread” because of these two Cyber terrorists. (More lies, they were not forced at all, by our actions).

.His later attempts to discredit me were of no consequence as in his headlong rush to, as he thought, “expose” me as a liar and a cheat he did not read my story correctly and claimed that among other things, I could not have seen a German Bomber shot down in Liverpool during 1941, (lies again, you claimed this was 1942, I can forward copies of the relevant webpage if required) that whilst fire watching on the roof of the Adelphi Hotel in Liverpool I could not have seen a barrage of anti aircraft rockets fired from the Wallasey side of the river Mersey also some time in 1941. (a whole year before the system was activated anywhere in the UK, incredible)

He also claimed that I could not have been involved with hundreds of American troops at the STORK Hotel in 1942, during the period February to November, (No I claimed the bars wouldn’t be packed with Americans in 1941, or early 1942, not that you “never” had any contact at all.)

.He also attempted to ridicule me and prove that I could not have met Winston Churchill at the ADELPHI hotel in 1941 (see my story) but had to retract when another Forum member proved my account to be correct. Le Sueur of course made no apology to me.(Go to this link, http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/general/8822-douglas-bader-enigma-2.html#post87740 I think you’ll find that I confirmed your story, not someone else.)

Mr Le Sueur claims to live in the Channel Island of Jersey at St. Brelad as a dairy farmer and I believe this to be so except that he may not be a dairy farmer. (I make no claim of the sort it’s fact as you have already publicly proven, in addition my profession is as far removed from dairy farming as you are from reality).

He claims to have been born during World War II in 1940 but does not say where other than that “He is not English or European”; I suppose the false age was to gain some kind of wartime “Charisma” when in fact he will be 42 on February 25th next and thus can claim no wartime “Charisma” whatsoever. (More lies, I make no claim to have been born during WWII and never have.)

Mr. Le Sueur has his own pet research project involving WWII pilots who were shot down in the Channel Isles area. I have not read or have any desire to read any of the accounts of his research activities and would therefore not presume to offer any opinions on his work as I have not read any of his accounts and am NOT QUALIFED to do so. (That’s because apart from two memorials and a number of articles in various magazines, my research is an evolving project that will take many years to complete “accurately” before anything is finalised and finally put to print.)

Mr. Le Suer (It’s Le Sueur, if you are going to take time to publish my details, at least have the courtesy to get it right) belongs to a number of Internet Forums that have fallen into disrepute largely because of members such as him who drift from Forum to Forum looking for trouble or causing trouble if they can drum up a suitable victim or subject. (I do belong to many forums, but looking for trouble !!!!, nah more lies).

The Bader Enigma was, thought by Mr. Le Sueur, to be a fantastic subject to attack and he did so relentlessly, along with many others of his mindset that includes his friend and companion/partner WEB-PILOT. There is a separate section on WEB-PILOT in preparation. (See my previous answer on this one).

A visit to the AVIATION FORUM and the WW2 TALK FORUM will reveal this team of trouble makers at work in tandem in their hit and run mode and, both were the eventual cause of both “Threads” that they were involved in being closed down! It is all there for you to see. (See my previous answer on this one).

Mr. Le Sueur has gone to extreme lengths in his attempts to try to prove and to convince me that it was not Douglas Bader that I met in Liverpool in 1942 but Colin “Hoppy” Hodgkinson another double amputee pilot whose war efforts have almost been totally ignored.(More lies, I gave this as an option, I have not gone to great lengths to prove either way and as you will no doubt have seen, his repatriation doesn’t fit in with your timelines, however him being in Liverpool prior to being shot down is a possibility)

He even went so far as to ask why I don’t come to my senses and accept his argument. Words fail me! (I think we have more chance of finding Elvis alive, well and working in a bar in Thailand than expecting you to find any form of sence).

Mr. Le Sueur in my eyes and many of the Forum members (Could I see proof of this please) eyes eventually revealed his true nature when he decided to emulate a Neo-Nazi in a desperate attempt to discredit me and my book by saying this on the AVIATION FORUM on December 31st 2006:-
EN-830

If anyone is having a bonfire this evening, can I suggest the one book you include in your ritual is Ken Williams book on his exploits as a Royal Navy Medic __________________
Good judgment comes from experience. Good experience comes from someone else’s bad judgment.
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Last edited by EN830 : 31st December 2006 at 11:40.

NB At this point the moderator closed down this thread.
(Of course you have obviously taken the time to put this into context with what else was being said, and that my comments were totally toungue in cheek, ah but the truth only suits you when it’s to your favour, I notice that you decided not to include the comments posted after this thread concerning your actions)

Mr. Le Sueur went much further into the mire in his attacks upon me by proclaiming that as I use a quotation extensively on my Website by SCHOPENHAUER and that as Schopenhauer was, he claims, anti-Semitic then I am by association also anti Semitic – what a disgusting man is this Mr. Le Sueur and what depths he will descend to? (You quoted him, I’ll let others be the judge).

This despicable man even sent me a spurious e-mail posing as an injured Veteran of the landings in Normandy and used an anagram of my name to make the name of the sender. Search his postings and you will find that he invented three such spurious names no doubt for future “fun.” This sick e-mail was designed to imply that the sender was sympathetic to my cause. (Again not me)

his disgusting episode ended with the perpetrator Le Sueur and other Forum members claiming that I had sent the e-mail to myself. (I never made any claim of the sort) This sort of behaviour is sadly, overlooked and often applauded by other Forum members, (So on the one hand I am being looked on with pity by the Forum’s members, and in the next breath supported, so which is to be ????) whilst the Forum providers remain silent – Back to the dark ages is the order of the day on the AVIATION forum it would seem.

This man also posted under another alias, GOOD TIME GIRL (Check your guest book, my wife has chosen to answer you separately) that he now claims is the Internet pen name of his wife. Mr Le Sueur must be a man with strange social standards if he really expects anyone to believe that he would agree to his wife frequenting Internet chat rooms and Forums with an alias such as that? I guess it takes “all kinds.” (My wife is a free agent to do as she wishes, and obviously her sense of humour is lost on you.)

Mr. Le Sueur will, I have no doubt jump up and down and claim that I was terrible and DEFAMED!!! him no end – of course I did not it is not possible! I did not defame anybody but berated EN-830 and many other electronic nameless cowards. Nothing more, nothing less. (Nameless but you have proved conclusively that my details are well documented on the internet, another lie and contradiction)

Mr. Le Sueur has recently sent me some e-mails in which he offers me a “DEAL OR NO DEAL” including an Olive branch. He offers that if I will remove all reference to HIM from my website he will take no action against me and then not worry me any more, or words to that effect.

I countered and rejected his offer out of hand and offered him a much better solution along these lines:- Give me a FULL apology and I WILL NOT PUBLISH it to the internet and, I will remove all reference to you from my website but, I can accept no responsibility for what you have posted to the various FORUMS.

I thought it was a generous face saving solution for him but, his response was simply, I DON’T HAVE THE TIME TO READ THIS BULL****! (When are you going to furnish an apologise to me and my family for wishing harm on us (A pox on you and yours), when are you going to apologise for publicly claiming someone was a wife beater or throwing bigoted dispersions on various internet users sexuality ???, like I have already said I will apologise to you when I see Lucifer himself skating down the Thames)

I gave him another opportunity to consider my offer but he has not responded. (Bit aukward when I was 4700 miles from a computer, something that you were aware of)

I e-mailed Mr Le Sueur this evening, January 27th 2007 to advise that I would be putting up a new page on him and he responded by saying “I am honoured” (and I am, I’ve never had a whole internet page to myself, never felt the need, it would be even better if what you have published was true and accurate).

So be it Mr. Le Sueur, a man of very little distinction. Now read the following.

“Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”
Heinrich Heine

“You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.”
John Morley

“Books won’t stay banned. They won’t burn. Ideas won’t go to jail. In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost.
Alfred Whitney

Sir Winston Churchill:
Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle:
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Arthur Schopenhauer:
In the sphere of thought, absurdity and perversity remain the masters of the world, and their dominion is suspended only for brief periods.

Buddha
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.

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By: Grey Area - 27th January 2007 at 19:57

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That’ll do, chaps.

This is a discussion forum and not a platform for personal criticism of individuals, however well-deserved that criticism may or may not be.

I’m sure Ian understands, and I’m equally sure that this subject will be well-aired in Another Place. 😉

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By: Robbo - 27th January 2007 at 19:24

Kev, Ken’s just not able to behave according to the standards others should be able to expect of him. He’s demonstrated this on a number of occasions.

Ian, Ken’s lies count for absolutely nothing. The only visitors to his site go there to laugh at him and it’s doubtful that his rantings about you will be regarded as anything other than the vile outpourings of a liar who’s been caught out by those who’ve scratched the surface of his stories and found so little of substance or note.

Ken’s even re-written the history of events on this forum a couple of years ago, you can hardly blame a poor memory for that. No, it’s simply bitterness. He was given the undeserved courtesy of slipping out of a situation he’d created for himself and he’s now re-written this as some form of triumph.

Let’s examine the possibilities of Ken’s claim to fame with a charitable eye:

Ken writes up some of his memories. He’s eager to do this and doesn’t check all the dates and timelines because he feels he’s fairly sure about what happened and when. This goes on the web under scrutiny and it transpires that some of the recollections don’t fit the assumed dates. Ken has two options here:

* Go back and verify the timeline and revise it, however this results in an unremarkable tale which doesn’t insult the memory of someone more homourable than him and therefore doesn’t grab any attention.
* Go on the offensive and swear that black is white and ignore all proof to the contrary.

The first option would have been wiser, Ken. The second has led to global ridicule each time you pop your head up above the parapet. A couple of years ago Mark and I did you the undeserved favour of negotiating a peace to save you further embarrassment, this current round of nonsense finds me less charitable.

Ken, behave with some dignity, your attention seeking behaviour is utterly shameful and it’s gone too far. Perhaps Ian’s a big enough man to forgive you? He’s put more effort into researching your story and has had a great deal more success in establishing the facts than you have.

Look on the bright side, Ian. When Ken did his extensive google research to establish your identity (With his usual lamentable accuracy) at least he didn’t accuse you of being a rosebush The moderately fragrant EN830 rose

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By: kev35 - 27th January 2007 at 18:57

This is becoming too much.

I Have met Ian Le Seuer and his wife, as have a number of other members of these fora. They are charming, honest, caring and hospitable. Ian’s work in Memorialising some of those who lost their lives during World War Two is extremely moving and is a direct result of his affinity with and appreciation of those who were willing to make the supreme sacrifice.

If I might just ask one question of Mr. Williams? I’m sure he will answer on his website. Why do you persist in these vile personal attacks? You have every right to believe what you believe, you don’t have the right to inflict your beliefs on others with such arrogant savagery.

You are a veteran of World War Two. Why don’t you try behaving with the dignity shown by countless veterans around the globe?

One last thing Mr. Williams might care to ask himself, just who has been banned from Key fora?

Regards,

kev35

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