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Too much work to do in too little hours…

Has anything changed in this respect?

I disagree – the blame was the engineers and he should have picked up on what the Storeman told him. He may have thought he was concientious but he was cutting corners and he therefore put the lifes of nearly 90 people at risk. If he had too much to do he should have raised it through the unions who were a lot stronger then than now. Whilst it may have been a mitigating factor, it seems too many people do not want to take responsibilty for their actions. Some years ago I smashed a bloke in the face who was ******* me off in a pub. In court my solicitor said it was caused by the alcohol but the magistrate pointed out to me that I was using it as an excuse and fined me accordingly. Something I totally accepted and considered myself lucky I didn’t get a custodial sentence.

agreed.
Perhaps I should have worded my response better.

I’m not saying the engineer was not at fault. He was, but a very big contributing factor was the pressure to get things done asap.
Yes he could have appealed to his union, but that doesn’t mean he could just stop work until it is sorted out, in the meantime he would have to carry on as usual.

You obviously didn’t listen properly.

The blame was not solely the engineer’s… it was the working practise and time pressure they were under. Too much work to do in too little hours.

I disagree – the blame was the engineers and he should have picked up on what the Storeman told him. He may have thought he was concientious but he was cutting corners and he therefore put the lifes of nearly 90 people at risk. If he had too much to do he should have raised it through the unions who were a lot stronger then than now. Whilst it may have been a mitigating factor, it seems too many people do not want to take responsibilty for their actions. Some years ago I smashed a bloke in the face who was ******* me off in a pub. In court my solicitor said it was caused by the alcohol but the magistrate pointed out to me that I was using it as an excuse and fined me accordingly. Something I totally accepted and considered myself lucky I didn’t get a custodial sentence.

one thing i did notice…. why didnt the storekeeper who knew what size bolts were needed pipe up and tell the engineer that he was wrong?

hindsight is a wonderful thing,but unfortunatly you only get taught that when an accident happens.

Yeah… but I can understand the Engineers frame of mind.

He took out a bunch of 7D bolts… and its was 7D bolts he wanted to put back in.
The storemane told him to use 8D… but I can see why the Engineer insisted on 7D, considering the window had been in place with them for 14 years.

The blame was not solely the engineer’s… it was the working practise and time pressure they were under. Too much work to do in too little hours.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

one thing i did notice…. why didnt the storekeeper who knew what size bolts were needed pipe up and tell the engineer that he was wrong?

hindsight is a wonderful thing,but unfortunatly you only get taught that when an accident happens.

I know I am pedantic but the aircraft was from Birmingham and it showed it taking off from Heathrow and I don’t know the airport it was shown approaching to land (view from cockpit) but it certainly was not Southampton although the pictures on the ground were obviously taken at the time of the emergency.
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I know what you mean it was an excellent show but because i’m at BHX alot i couldn’t help but start nitpicking the show 😀 :diablo:

I saw it too. The engineer was definitely to blame. He mishandled the cockpit wondows.

You obviously didn’t listen properly.

The blame was not solely the engineer’s… it was the working practise and time pressure they were under. Too much work to do in too little hours.

I thought it was an excellent programme. I know I am pedantic but the aircraft was from Birmingham and it showed it taking off from Heathrow and I don’t know the airport it was shown approaching to land (view from cockpit) but it certainly was not Southampton although the pictures on the ground were obviously taken at the time of the emergency.

I watched a little bit of it, unfortunately the picture on C5 is terrible on my TV, was incredibly that that guy survivied then was back flying in a few months!

I saw it too. The engineer was definitely to blame. He mishandled the cockpit windows.

Does anyone know what happened to the engineer? I don’t think they said, or I missed it.

think it was going to Malaga?

Yeah, wasn’t completely sure.

Amazing that the crew were able to hold the Captain where he was until the aircraft landed.

Watching it now, think it was going to Malaga? Can’t believe the pilot survived!

i seen it to a great doc aswell

I saw this the first time around and its a great documentary. Was a British Airways flight from Birmingham to… Alicante?? Somewhere in Spain, that’s for sure. 🙂