Insurgents (Merged)

i rather be a commander of “MERCS R US” and kill both groups while making big money.

the world cup thread is closed, how sad 🙁

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As for a dedicated airsoft soldier, for me it’s clear.. Insurgency is the way to go! Traps on convoys, ambushes, surprise attacks, recon, sabotage, that is what I just love to do..

“Once an insurgancy force has won the victory they become the counter insurgency against the break away group that does not agree and so on and so on” – Spokeshave.

I agree with pluto77189 the reason and the plan once victory is achieved is the important factor in deciding which you want to command.
There are examples probably to prove me wrong but It seems to me that the majority of insurgence forces today want to destroy completely the people they are fighting against. That is everyone, women children not just the particular military dictators /government.
The insurgence are not interested in getting to a position of strength to negotiate better conditions for their particular members they want complete removal of their enemy who is any one who does not have the same outlook on life.
There is no room for live and let live in their philosophy.
The best counter insurgency is to be honest and to be seen to be honest in all your dealings.
Unfortunately you will always have those who want to destroy and take power and who will stir the crowd up with any propogander they can manufacture. thats why you must be seen to honest.
But I am dreaming mankinds history is full of death and destruction all carried out in the name of freedom for you.
I bet your glad you asked now aren’t you?

In WWII, the French Insurgency VS the occupying Germans – I’d go with the French Insurgency. In this situation, the insurgency had pretty much the total support of the people.

Hmmm…what about Nazi collaborators??? Many a Frenchman had sympathy and absolute support for Nazi policies.

A better example maybe the defence of Berlin. The remnants of the German army along with old men and young lads fought a desperate last stand against the Soviet Red Army. Although they could not and did not win, they did cause a lot of damage to advancing Soviet forces. The Soviets being the Soviets of course relied on huge numbers and total belief.

These German urban defenders had more support from the German peoples as the Soviets were depicted as barely human scum by Josef Geobels and the Nazi propoganda mahine. There was sheer fear at the thought of running into Red Army troops for this reason and also because of the attrocities commited by the Nazi’s in the Soviet Union. The Soviets would of course consider the taking of Berlin as “payback”. Sadly, part of this payback involved the raping of German women by Red Army soldiers (the Nazis did the same). This galvanised public attitude against the Soviet invasion.

It depends on the type of insurgency…

In WWII, the French Insurgency VS the occupying Germans – I’d go with the French Insurgency. In this situation, the insurgency had pretty much the total support of the people.

Same war, different time – the German insurgents VS the occupying Allies – I’d go with the Allies. The insurgents were remnants of an evil, regime, trying to hold onto power. I’m sure they felt justified, and had some support of their citizens, but they were on th elosing end of a war.

Same deal with the Japanese insurgents – they were the remnants of a force that had lost a nasty war. They felt justified in their actions, but were esentially reaping what they had sewn.

The situation in Iraq is not a classic insurgency. The majority of the populace is NOT in support of the fighters. In fact, they are the targets of the fighters. Part of the insurgency is composed of foriegn invaders, fighting as, and acting like, insurgent Iraiqi. The other part is composed of Saddam loyalists – esentially like the German insurgency post-WWII – in that they lost a war, and have a LITTLE popular support, especially amongst the sunni population.

The situation is unique, as the Allies are allied with the main Iraqi people and army, and are fighting together against a pseudo-insurgency composed of some real insurgents (Baathists and some shia militiamen), and foreign invaders (sunni Al-queda fighters and Iranian extemist fighters).

However, in a REAL, CLASSIC insurecction, you’d expect the insurgency to be composed of a milita, that is defending their homes against an invading force. If it were an invading force against the US (even the US military against it’s populace – it’s happened before), I’d rather be an insurgent. (Depending, of course, on the REASON for the fighting.)

No way in hell is an army going to take the US militia without Geneva convention-shattering tactics. 100+million armed fighters, most of which have shooting experience.

Now, an insurgent in NK/Iran following an invasion – no way in hell would I want to be a part of THAT insurgency.

Depends…

If my country is invaded then insurgency is the way to go.

With a counter-insurgency you have to get it right 10 times out of 10 attempts

With an insurgency you only have to get it right 1 time out of 10 and it will still have the same potency.

Don’t forget the 5th member, a certain Anthony Charles Linton Blair!!!

why the Hell did the Gang of Four (Bush Cheny, Rumsfeld, Rice) committ such a fundamental error as getting their collective dick caught in such a nasty wringer in Iraq?

Scott

I think you can giver Rice a pass on getting something caught on for two reasons…
1.Obvious… 😀

2. More seriously, Powell was the Secretary of State when this started. As a former 4-star (Commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, no less), and being a very bright guy (but I wonder if he wasn’t a better politician than a general…I don’t know)…he must of thought it doable, though I understand he was never crazy about the idea.

So if it is so clear to all of us that trying to counter an insurgentcy is so hard and ultimately not very succesfull….. why the Hell did the Gang of Four (Bush Cheny, Rumsfeld, Rice) committ such a fundamental error as getting their collective dick caught in such a nasty wringer in Iraq?

Scott

nuclear weapons to boot… 😉

Yeah but as commander of an armed force tasked with countering the insurgeny, you’d get to “play” with B-52’s, B-1’s, B-2’s, F-15’s, F-16’s, F/A-18’s, F-22’s Harriers, Tornados, Eurofighters, Nimitz class carriers, ALCM’s, Tommohawk SLCM’s, AH-64’s, or perhaps Su-24’s, Su-25’s, Su-27’s, MiG-25’s, MiG-27’s, MiG-29’s, MiG-31’s, Tu-22M’s, Mi-24’s, M1 and Challanger II MBT’s, SAS, SBS, SEAL and Spetsnats special forces and so on…….

If only real insurgents were this stupid

I was in a games video shop today where these three gentlmen were proudly joking about being insurgents whilst playing a training mission on GRAW on the display 360. This mission had this particular guy trying to destroy a Bradley, it was so amusing watching him get irrate every time he got killed and shouting that the damn tank wouldn’t blow up….he was using an assault rifle, didn’t occur to him that he might need something with a bit more punch :p 😀

Don’t worry.

There’ll be another one along in 4 years’ time. 😉

All things being equal, would you rather be the commander of an insurgency or the commander of a force tasked with countering an insurgency?

Do not read any political intend into this thread, just the simple question: What would your preference be? And why?

Scott

i rather be a commander of “MERCS R US” and kill both groups while making big money.

the world cup thread is closed, how sad 🙁

Insurgent…you can get away with more stuff. :diablo:
Don’t have to go by the rules and generally make up your own mythology.

a insurgency every time.. planning your attacks, seeing the outcome. and if you have done it right Victory.. i know there must be a evil streak in me.. i would much rather be a congourer then a defender… 🙂 😀 😉