June 2, 2005 at 9:02 am
they really need to move on!! :rolleyes:
By: Cliff Barnes - 3rd June 2005 at 17:48
See what I mean, Cliff? :rolleyes:
:D:D:D:D
Ah, got your point perfectly well! 😎
By: KabirT - 3rd June 2005 at 17:48
Th elink posted by KabirT clearly illustrated what AI Express was looking for and I find myself believing that the A32X might have been the better choice. Now I know that you shouldn’t always believe the press or I am not saying that the 737NG is an inferior product. All I am saying is that Airbus may have had a reason to question the selection process.
questioning is fine, but if the party cannot answer it because the deal was based on a political level and not an ailrines immediate need level it is very hard to give any answer to Airbus for AI. Airbus, knows that the deal was heavily politicised but they are still making a big deal out of it.
By: 4 engines good - 3rd June 2005 at 17:37
Especially since Ms. Condolezza Rice paid a visit to the Indian authorities and an Indian government official was quoted later said the US government had said in no uncertain terms what would happen if Boeing wasn’t chosen…
By: Shadow1 - 3rd June 2005 at 17:30
It has been explained several times why Boeing won. Airbus will not accept it. Airbus want a “Sorry, we’ll order A380s then” type answer.
Th elink posted by KabirT clearly illustrated what AI Express was looking for and I find myself believing that the A32X might have been the better choice. Now I know that you shouldn’t always believe the press or I am not saying that the 737NG is an inferior product. All I am saying is that Airbus may have had a reason to question the selection process.
By: Bmused55 - 3rd June 2005 at 12:08
Would they? Perhaps they do have a genuine case for making such a fuss. Perhaps the decision had very little to do with which product was better for AI.
I think it’d be best if AI comes clean. At the end of the day, if they explain how they reached the decision and why the Boeing product was better for them, Airbus would be left with egg on their face would they not?
It has been explained several times why Boeing won. Airbus will not accept it. Airbus want a “Sorry, we’ll order A380s then” type answer.
By: 4 engines good - 3rd June 2005 at 12:05
Would they? Perhaps they do have a genuine case for making such a fuss. Perhaps the decision had very little to do with which product was better for AI.
I think it’d be best if AI comes clean. At the end of the day, if they explain how they reached the decision and why the Boeing product was better for them, Airbus would be left with egg on their face would they not?
By: Bmused55 - 3rd June 2005 at 11:58
Why don’t the Indians point out the parameters that ultimately favoured Boeing? That would mean end of discussion – wouldn’t it?
Nah, Airbus would then complain the specs did not favour them.
By: Grey Area - 3rd June 2005 at 06:36
Airbus’ true colours, now shining brightly.
See what I mean, Cliff? :rolleyes:
:D:D:D:D
By: KabirT - 3rd June 2005 at 02:44
Why don’t the Indians point out the parameters that ultimately favoured Boeing? That would mean end of discussion – wouldn’t it?
does that really need to be answered!!! 😀
By: Bmused55 - 3rd June 2005 at 00:34
Airbus’ true colours, now shining brightly.
By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 21:22
Not in here, Cliff…. not in here. :rolleyes: 😀
By: Cliff Barnes - 2nd June 2005 at 20:56
Why don’t the Indians point out the parameters that ultimately favoured Boeing? That would mean end of discussion – wouldn’t it?
By: US Agent - 2nd June 2005 at 20:41
Or perhaps they’re just having a massive tantrum for losing a deal.

By: Shadow1 - 2nd June 2005 at 20:18
IMO, I don’t think Airbus is whining as much as they are trying to figure out why the Indian government suddenly made a 180 degree turn. The airline was looking for a specific product and Airbus seemed to be the right choice according to the parameters set forth by the tender. As much as EADS might be making a lot of noise on this, I do believe they are justified in getting an explanation from the interested parties. I do also believe that politics had a lot to do with this order (As with anyother business deal no matter the sector). There is something to learn from all failures and I am sure that Boeing would have wanted to know why they had lost out to Airbus if the roles had been reversed.
By: MSR777 - 2nd June 2005 at 18:17
IMO it seems, based on the many articles in various journals on this, that at times Air India does’nt seem to know what it wants. Lets hope for their sake that they have chosen well. I have to admit that the fact that this situation is not calming down does make one wonder if, as quoted by 4 engines, there is no smoke without fire. Doubtless all will become clear……yeah right! :rolleyes:
By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 17:45
Kabir – a serious (if rather bizarre) question, mate.
Do you know anything about data protection legislation in India? If you do, could you please PM me?
Cheers
Grey Area
Moderator
By: KabirT - 2nd June 2005 at 17:32
its cuz of this..
Boeing could overtake Airbus this yr in aircraft orders – EADS CFO
FRANKFURT (AFX) – European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co CFO Hans Peter Ring said Boeing Co could reach its goal of taking Airbus Industrie’s’s top spot in aircraft orders this year.
Airbus will, however, retain its first position this year in aircraft deliveries, he told an investors’ conference here.
He said Airbus keeping its position in orders this year could prove difficult as Boeing has been lowering its prices ‘very aggressively’ over the last few months.
really dont care about that…its their professionalism i am bothered about.
By: bring_it_on - 2nd June 2005 at 13:24
Airbus, whines yet again….
its cuz of this..
Boeing could overtake Airbus this yr in aircraft orders – EADS CFO
FRANKFURT (AFX) – European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co CFO Hans Peter Ring said Boeing Co could reach its goal of taking Airbus Industrie’s’s top spot in aircraft orders this year.
Airbus will, however, retain its first position this year in aircraft deliveries, he told an investors’ conference here.
He said Airbus keeping its position in orders this year could prove difficult as Boeing has been lowering its prices ‘very aggressively’ over the last few months.
By: 4 engines good - 2nd June 2005 at 12:44
Well they say there is no smoke without fire.
I’m sure both companies have had deals snatched out of their hands by their rivals in the past. Yet with this particular deal Airbus is kicking an almighty, unprecedented fuss.
Perhaps they feel there have been dark forces at work, that something highly dodgy/illegal has been going on and that the decision by Air India had nothing to do with choosing the best aircraft for the company.
Or perhaps they’re just having a massive tantrum for losing a deal.
By: DME - 2nd June 2005 at 11:55
If true, that’s bad. Who are Airbus to attack AI for not buying a specifc aircraft.
Better watch I might have Stella Artois knocking down my door and beat me up for drinking Staropramen.
dme