We can get oil out of rocks now?

The germans made synthetic oil out of coal in WWII…

Of course vegetable oil based oils can be used in vehicles and home heating… perhaps instead of the US government paying US farmers to dig in their crops of wheat (to stop the market being overwhelmed and the price of wheat dropping so the farmers that can sell to real customers can make a living) why don’t they get them to grow plants to make oil from and use the oil as a reserve for heating etc.

Are they all cunningly disguised as Concordes, then?

For anyone interested.. The first commercial oil refinery in the world was located in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland. This was the work of James “Paraffin” Young. The oil was extracted from shale long before other processes took over. We still have many of the copper coloured spoil heaps or “bings” dotted around parts of the county.

Tis true indeed…

For anyone interested.. The first commercial oil refinery in the world was located in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland. This was the work of James “Paraffin” Young. The oil was extracted from shale long before other processes took over. We still have many of the copper coloured spoil heaps or “bings” dotted around parts of the county.

in any case, i apologize to you Viper and Sean if i offend you with my cynicism.
but back on topic..

I seriously suggest you guys read articles from this site
http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/research.aspx?Type=msspeeches

the CEO of this company was Bush’s former Energy Adviser.

Agree with SOC on this one. To hell with it, Burger. Why so damn cynical?

what’s got you so grumpy kid. Cynical? perhaps, but perhaps its due to the reality of the situation we are in. Idealism can only take you so far.

What we should do is keep the ANWR as sort of a strategic reserve, to top off our current reserves and as a ready source if there’s an accident or a problem with the extraction operations. Then we don’t have to worry too much about getting back into the world market for a short time if it looks like we need a little bit extra.

I thought ANWR was a reserve of some type? or at least Alaskan oil?

The other side of that coin is that we get experience drilling in an inhospitable climate. Then we can offer our services and expertise to the Russians. For a price, of course 😀

come on, out experience the Russians in drilling hostile arctic climate :p

Don’t even go there today 😡 😉

i was actually being serious, not sarcastic 🙂 people will say you’re bad, people will disagree, parties will use it to attack you..but I say, just take the oil. It’s still easier 😮

but who says some one else won’t fill the gap? it looks like China is trying to fill in the void the US left in Venezuela..

A very valid point. But they can’t take up our slack immediately, and it’s doubtful that they could take up sufficient slack in the near-term to avoid the expected rise in world prices.

i’m indifferent to ANWR, but I don’t think it will be cheap. Arctic terrain requires better tools, maintenance heavy pipelines and equipment, and more expensive labor as they’re not as productive in such conditions. From what I read.. drilling would be limited to some pretty crappy winter months, which furthers the difficulty of such a project.

What we should do is keep the ANWR as sort of a strategic reserve, to top off our current reserves and as a ready source if there’s an accident or a problem with the extraction operations. Then we don’t have to worry too much about getting back into the world market for a short time if it looks like we need a little bit extra.

The other side of that coin is that we get experience drilling in an inhospitable climate. Then we can offer our services and expertise to the Russians. For a price, of course 😀

I think it’s easier if you just take Iraqs 🙂

Don’t even go there today 😡 😉

Apparently we’ve been looking at this for a while, around 20 years or so. What we need to do is finance a crash program to get this to work in a cost-effective fashion. The real test will be if we can resist the urge to export any of this stuff. I say keep it and use it in-house. We’d be off foreign oil with ease once it was running at capacity. And the foreign oil-producing countries would be economically hit since a huge customer gave them the finger.

but who says some one else won’t fill the gap? it looks like China is trying to fill in the void the US left in Venezuela..

And I still say we sink pipes into ANWR in Alaska.

i’m indifferent to ANWR, but I don’t think it will be cheap. Arctic terrain requires better tools, maintenance heavy pipelines and equipment, and more expensive labor as they’re not as productive in such conditions. From what I read.. drilling would be limited to some pretty crappy winter months, which furthers the difficulty of such a project.

I think it’s easier if you just take Iraqs 🙂

Apparently we’ve been looking at this for a while, around 20 years or so. What we need to do is finance a crash program to get this to work in a cost-effective fashion. The real test will be if we can resist the urge to export any of this stuff. I say keep it and use it in-house. We’d be off foreign oil with ease once it was running at capacity. And the foreign oil-producing countries would be economically hit since a huge customer gave them the finger. Same to the rest of the world, since they’d have to deal with prices shooting way up. Good luck with that. If we can get this to work, that’s a pretty damn massive bargaining chip in the right situation.

And I still say we sink pipes into ANWR in Alaska.

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2005/08/09/news/regional/03e14b4eb94bfd7f8725705700826a2b.txt

That is really interesting. If it’s true, then as a huge oil consumer, we can finally ignore the Middle East once and for all.

i think it will be a long time for it to be practical. We got lots of oil up where i come from, and the surrounding areas, like Nenetsia, Khanty-Manssisk, etc in Russia.. there’s still a bunch out there, it’s just not financially feasible to get them out atm.

But hey, given the situation the US is in, I’d agree with you.. i’d rather not want to deal with the Israeli’s, Saudi’s, and everyone in that region.