Ford Mustang – Steve Mcqueen homage . . .

Nobody mentioned that this ad was based on a movie 😉

Clue….”build it and he will come !”

Thats a cool looking beast 😀 Anna 😀

Moggy…
Please read what I wrote..I never mentioned “outdrag” I was referring to all performance aspects.

I read what you wrote. What I am struggling with is why you wrote it.

Prior to you nobody had made any suggestion that a Puma was in any way superior to a Mustang. (Be it outdragging, cornering, fuel economy, number of bells and whistles, grossness of interior, or any other factor).

It is doubtless very flattering to those who give a monkey’s that you think there might be a comparison between a 4.something V8 and a humble four-pot 1.7. But if you can actually be bothered to read the thread you will see that the only reason the Puma entered into the conversation at all was the fact that the new US Mustang TV ad was, creatively, a derivative of the ground-breaking Puma launch ad.

Just wondered why you had suddenly decided to bring up a performance comparison, that’s all.

I love the Mustang. That’s the early ones, and some of the more recent. In the middle there were some wilderness years when the marque lost its way and became an embarassment.

With the present day oils situation and the inevitability that ‘gas’ prices will continue to rise, we may well be seeing the twighlight of the classic muscle car. It’ll be a shame.

Moggy

Moggy…
Please read what I wrote..I never mentioned “outdrag” I was referring to all performance aspects.

EN830
A correction…the Crossfire is based on the first generation SLK, not SL. A huge difference! I’ve never seen a V-12 SLK.
The cost figures I was referring to were the US proces for the Mustang. And you can’t buy a new BMW, Mercedes, or Porsche for the price of even the most expensive Mustang over here.
The classic American “muscle’ cars were designed to go fast in a straight line…but were’re talking late 1960’s-early 70’s cars. As the horsepower levels shrank (due to pollution standards, insurance rates, fuel prices, etc.) handling went up. If you’d try a new Mustang GT, I bet you’d be surprised.

I don’t consider (and I don’t know of anyone who would) the MX-5 to be in the Mustang class…it’s engine is far too small. The MX-5 is a fine sports car (I know, I’ve had two) but it’s not a performance car..just as the early MGs were known for being fun to drive not outright speed. Because of safety and pollution regs over here, we don’t get the Nissan Skyline, although US magaizines have tested it and said it’s a very good car.

Based on magaine tests (both here and in the UK) I don’t think you’re justified in calling the Mustang “rubbish”. It may not be a 911, but neither is a 968.
And you didn’t say what “American heavy metal” you blew past? Today in my Mercedes CLK, I blew past a number of cars…English , Japanes, even the odd italian. Not many Porsches…over here they’re driven by posers who think they’re Steve mcQueen’s stunt double for LeMans.

I’m sure some UK-based Mustang owner would be glad to demonstrate the V-8 and RWD superiority of a Mustang over a Puma (what we’d call a ‘hairdresser’s’ car over here)

Anybody care to point out where in this thread anyone suggested that a Puma could outdrag a Mustang? I must have missed it.

However, If the said UK Mustang owner would care to try and take on my bike, I’d be up for that any time 🙂

Moggy

John even you can’t honestly believe that there is anything Sporty about either the Mustang or the Capri, they maybe OK in a straight line, but throw in a couple of corners and both marques are totally flummoxed.

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depends if you mean real-world roads/corners or racetracks.. Mr Clarkson and co rave on about on the on-the-limit, hanging the ar$e out, burning rubber ‘handling’ of cars they test, but in the real world the average owner isnt capable of using that performance, and if he does so on the public roads is a complete w^nker..! its something that also aflicts motorcycle road-testers who seem to almost weekly crown a new ‘best bike ever’ because its a nanosecond quicker around a track.. :rolleyes:
unless I was going to do track days, if I had the money I’d go for style, comfort, and real-world performance of the Mustang rather than sitting with my bum 2 inches off the ground, rattling my fillings over bumps and wishing I was somewhere else.. If I were setting-up a racing team, the choice may be different.. 😉
Neil

ps.. when I had my Capri and Mustang my greatest joy was chasing ‘real sports cars’ such as MGB’s and Sprites and changing up a gear as I passed them.. 😀
Neil

Interesting thread…I now have an image of a Burberry clad Moggy cruising the mean streets of Thetford in his chavmobile…

And Mike? 45p a litre? SHUT UP WILL YA? 😀 😉 :diablo:

And this comes from a chap who drives a Puma ???? Moggy the aged Chav 🙂

What I drive when forced into a car (Rather than choose to drive – Ducati or aircraft) has no relevance to the accuracy of what I posted.

Descending into petty sniping just indicates a weak argument. 😀

Moggy

Sorry you can keep this American rubbish. They do not and probably never will grasp the concept of a sports car.

The Japanese and Koreans have a better idea of the concept than our colonial cousins.

EN830
If you knew anythying about American cars you’d know that the Mustang is not…and has never been…marketed as a pure “sports” car. It’s more like a “sporty” coupe…along the lines of the old Ford Capri…which the Mustang inspired.

At 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a new Porsche (obviously you can buy some old 924/944 variant cheaper) comparing the two is stupid.

As for Japanese and Korean cars being better…aside from the much more expensive Honda NSX & Nissan 350Z, I don’t know of a rear wheel drive coupe (and especially a convertible) out there. As a Porsche owner, I’m sure you’ll agree that for a front wheel drive performance car is a bit of an oxymoron. You might be able to find a V-8 out of Oz, but beating the Mustang as an overall performance car for the price will be very hard.

I’m sure some UK-based Mustang owner would be glad to demonstrate the V-8 and RWD superiority of a Mustang over a Puma (what we’d call a ‘hairdresser’s’ car over here) or any Asian FWD coupe.

BTW: Don’t judge American cars buy the stuff you rent when you’re visiting Disney…a V-6 Mustang would be a pale imitation of the GT.
I’m smart enought not to judge all English cars by the insipid Vuxhall I rent when I come to to the UK.

I know, but climbing into one is a sport

I doubt it, as Ford acquired Jaguar in 1989, long before the XKR was introduced.

Ok, it wasn’t .. My bad. know more about planes than cars 😮

Was *still* a Jag, by then I think.

I forgot to mention that i was driving a Jaguar XKR 😀

Mustangs ? Tanks they are. Those things have no acceleration. Maybe good for cruising (and again, I wouldn’t get a “sports” car for that), but that’s it.

One tried to race me, but was around 200 metres behind in less than 6 seconds at each light. And I didn’t break any speed limit to do that. Just acceleration up to 55 mph.

I have a 64 vintage Mustang that i’d pitt against you Frank, pity we’re on opposite sides of the globe

Mustangs ? Tanks they are. Those things have no acceleration. Maybe good for cruising (and again, I wouldn’t get a “sports” car for that), but that’s it.

One tried to race me, but was around 200 metres behind in less than 6 seconds at each light. And I didn’t break any speed limit to do that. Just acceleration up to 55 mph.

12K, I could get a half decent Porsche for that, much more fun, just as quick and use less fuel.

From the factory? I doubt it. I think you are suggesting a well second-hand one.

Fine for pootling small distances, but a tad pointless if you intend to use it surely?

I often look at Porsche and similar quality cars that are now at reasonable prices, but doing any serious mileage rules them out.

Moggy

Maybe so, but do you REALLY think that Steve McQueen would have driven a Ford Puma?

Yup.

He probably had enough ability.

Moggy

Steve was a gutsy guy!! hence driving in the 24hr Le Mans in the Gulf Porsche 😉 😉 Anna 😉

Though McQueen did not actually carry out the famous jump over the wire featured in the movie.

However in that scene he did ride one of the stunt bikes, dressed as a German squaddie, coal scuttle and all.

Moggy

Steve used to ride his Great Escape bike in Fleet Hampshire and stayed in a little bungalow!! Ken Heanes built the bike and he would ride on the common near Twesledown 😉 he also had a great collection of planes and spittoons 😉 Anna 🙂