current status of Iraq

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Originally posted by ELP Lets see, since you mentioned “conservative press” ( over here CNN, NBC, ABC, NPR are NOT conservative and they are the majority here… Now explain to me the defeatist press who are some of those and the BBC and the Guardian, some German media and some French media who almost refuse to mention ANY progress there. I would like to see that explained. Then there are the people like you who want a magic wand waved and/or have a short attention span. This stuff takes time.

Really? Do you read the French press or do you read quotes translated by the above.
I watch CNN and BBC every day and I can tell that the US prss doesn’t sound objective to me at all.
BBC sounds much better to me.
Objective is not defeatist. That’s a concept that some US media have forgotten for since a while.

In todays conservative news, not much seems to be said about the economic or living conditions in Iraq. We just keep hearing reports about military operations against “rebellious factions”. Ive also heard brief mention that the US is not going to allow Germany, France or Russia to do bussiness in Iraq.

No. Germany and France can work as sub contractors. Part of the deal for Russia forgiving debt is they are now going to do some oil equipment installs and other things.

Subcontracters mean they cant do anything till the US starts doing something, lets be clear on that.

Honestly, it doesnt look as though the US is allowing anyone to do bussiness in Iraq, they seem determined to make Iraq totally subjegated before allowing any meaningful economic recovery to take place.

Lets see, since you mentioned “conservative press” ( over here CNN, NBC, ABC, NPR are NOT conservative and they are the majority here… Now explain to me the defeatist press who are some of those and the BBC and the Guardian, some German media and some French media who almost refuse to mention ANY progress there. I would like to see that explained. Then there are the people like you who want a magic wand waved and/or have a short attention span. This stuff takes time.

To me a conservative press is one that only covers “war news” without asking any question as to what the purpose of this war is for, or who its being fought against. And they seem to ignore anything about Iraqi life itself or its desire to develope a new country.

I believe if the US allowed nations to go in freely to do bussiness in Iraq, Iraq would quickly become a prosperous and independant nation. I think its about time the Iraqi people stand up for their rights to determine their future. Was in the intention of the US simply to remove Sadam and WMD or is their something more that the US expects with their occupation? I think its about time people stand up and ask these questions.

Interesting opinions. Explain exactly how all this is going to happen “quickly”. I am really curious. Tell me exactly what has France done to earn any place in rebuilding Iraq?

It could happen very quickly if international corperations were simply allowed to enter freely. Im sure the Iraqis would warmly welcome world bussinesses entering and competing to do bussiness. But no, the US wont allow this. The fact that the US is holding back Iraq from doing bussiness is creating discontent which means that there will be continued fighting and dying, the result being the US can say they are not “ready” yet.

Re: current status of Iraq

Originally posted by mixtec
In todays conservative news, not much seems to be said about the economic or living conditions in Iraq. We just keep hearing reports about military operations against “rebellious factions”. Ive also heard brief mention that the US is not going to allow Germany, France or Russia to do bussiness in Iraq.

No. Germany and France can work as sub contractors. Part of the deal for Russia forgiving debt is they are now going to do some oil equipment installs and other things.

Honestly, it doesnt look as though the US is allowing anyone to do bussiness in Iraq, they seem determined to make Iraq totally subjegated before allowing any meaningful economic recovery to take place.

Lets see, since you mentioned “conservative press” ( over here CNN, NBC, ABC, NPR are NOT conservative and they are the majority here… Now explain to me the defeatist press who are some of those and the BBC and the Guardian, some German media and some French media who almost refuse to mention ANY progress there. I would like to see that explained. Then there are the people like you who want a magic wand waved and/or have a short attention span. This stuff takes time.

I believe if the US allowed nations to go in freely to do bussiness in Iraq, Iraq would quickly become a prosperous and independant nation. I think its about time the Iraqi people stand up for their rights to determine their future. Was in the intention of the US simply to remove Sadam and WMD or is their something more that the US expects with their occupation? I think its about time people stand up and ask these questions.

Interesting opinions. Explain exactly how all this is going to happen “quickly”. I am really curious. Tell me exactly what has France done to earn any place in rebuilding Iraq?

but that isnt an excuse to keep the Iraq economy down.

Explain

I agree the Iraq invasion could have been a success story for everyone involved. The americans/british succeeded in proving the nay sayers wrong and were more or less welcomed. The Iraqis could have enjoyed a fresh new start. But instead the US just wants to hold Iraq back and destroy their own success. Vortex- You say exporting oil above prewar levels in a success, Ill remind you that Iraq had sactions against it before the war, so I dont see how that is anything big. Find Sadam is indeed a success, but that isnt an excuse to keep the Iraq economy down.

huh? :confused: :confused: :confused: As bad as these people feel about being “occupied” they understand the greater “evil” of those that supported Saddam when the US is trying to get rid of this criminal. Interesting that you don’t hear much about Southern Iraq and any good news is regarded as “no big deal” while bad news is magnified. I wonder if people reporting such have the same attitude toward their own life experiences…that would be sad…sad either way. When Iraq isn’t exporting any oil…that’s criticized, but when the south is exporting more than prewar levels (now how is that possible, didn’t Saddam have full care of these things?) and up to it’s capacity people say “no big deal”. When saddam is not capture yet, people use it as a sign of failure, but when he’s captured, again “no big deal”. One question i’ve always been wondering is do some of you have this type of general attitude toward your own life? When you couldn’t succeed people tell you “you’re useless”…when you gain success “that’s trivial” :rolleyes: when you have constipation, crap as expected isn’t so bad :rolleyes:

Originally posted by SOC
Iraq will end up just fine regardless of those three countries involvement. If they are doing well and going to be fine, why not keep those people out who didn’t care enough to liberate the country and are now only interested in money?

My point is they should have ended up fine along time ago, there is no reason for them to be going through this period of limbo simply for the US to be controling the country like they are. And the fact is no countrys are really being allowed to go in and do trade, not even the countrys that were part of the war effort. I dont know how to describe the US attitude other than to say they are a control freak.

We get Iraqi stuff on the news pretty regularly. They’ve had stuff on there about schools being reopened, things like that, but not too much detailed mention of the actual living conditions.

Iraq will end up just fine regardless of those three countries involvement. If they are doing well and going to be fine, why not keep those people out who didn’t care enough to liberate the country and are now only interested in money?

Crap as expected;) 😉 Anna:)