John Kerry

Mixtec, glad you like it. I think it is a good quiz no matter where you stand politically. I think I’ll post it again as a seperate thread.

CompassCall- Id say your test is very accurate, it pegged me right at the crux between left liberal, centrist and authoritarian. A pretty accurate description of my political leanings.

I too am a Libertarian and I don’t like really voting for Republicans because it is a compromise on principle. But that’s the curse of politics. I don’t think a Libertarian will ever get elected because too many people vote on emotion and not facts and logic. Just trying to get people to stop thinking of the federal govt as their sugar daddy would be an accomplishment in itself. Libertarian ideals are much too radical for mainstream soccer moms and scared seniors. Credit your dumb ass public schools, socialist liberals and whimp Republicans for that. This right/left ideology is too simplistic, take this short quiz to see where you stand, even for our European “friends”: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

“Who says liberal democrats believe in seperating church and state? To a liberal democrat, government is God.”

I don´t think I should give my oppinion about the point since I am not an american and won´t vote. I think the only Democrat who could defeat Bush could be Dean. Of course it´s not a based analysis. Sorry to have interfered in an american topic

The real shame is that most people here dont identify with either party.

It is hard for the Republican party to look thrifty with the citizens tax dollars when they do moronic things like federalizing baggage inspectors at airports and creating a total waste of spending like the Department of Homeland Security.

The Dems aren’t much better. Their ideals are socialist in nature. The Declaration of Independence says:

“…….that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. …..”

You have the right to the pursuit of happiness. That does not mean that the government hands it out to you for free. No where does it or the constitution mention free health care, free insurance, free medical care…. etc. etc. etc. The dems push socialism. I don’t think that is what our founding fathers wanted. This isn’t the United States of Entitlements. Yet they keep pushing for all that BS. ( for all you Dem history revisionists. Don’t forget that during the Clinton era he started out with an “economic stimulus package” that was nothing more than a bunch of taxes. That got shot down. Just as a lot of stuff from the free health care nazi hillary got shot down. Good thing too. Want that kind of nonsense? Move to Canada.

BTW for other revisionists. There was no economic boom in the 90s caused by Clinton. All that happened was a lot of over-inflated speculation on companies in the stock market ( many of which didn’t show a profit or their books were cooked ) Investors dumped stocks on unprofitable companies and it ended. After that 9/11 gave the economy a good push down.

I am affraid I am more libertarian party this time around. Too bad they don’t have the payolla to make a difference. www.lp.org

As for that moron Kerry. He is a liar. What they have to say is not important to me. Obi wan said it best: “The power of the force has a strong influence on the weak minded.”

Originally posted by Whiskey Delta
…you could argue that legislation or decisions made by Bush Sr. kicked off the economy well before Clinton had any impact on it.

[open goal for sarcasm]
Like Bush Sr’s tax increase?
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Originally posted by mixtec
Is the US economy doing good now that the US has a republican president? Did the economy pick up with Clinton after the Reagan/Bush Sr years?

The economy is cyclical and not a result of which party is sitting in the White House. As easily as you argue that Clinton is responsible for the economic upswing you could argue that legislation or decisions made by Bush Sr. kicked off the economy well before Clinton had any impact on it.

phase lag.

THE SPENDING CONSUMER DESERVES CREDIT FOR A GOOD ECONOMY NOT ANY POLITICIAN OR PARTY! Any president can sign a bill that will boost the economy be it Bush (tax cuts) or Clinton (balanced budget). Bush’s and the Congress’ small tax cut worked to revive the economy. The Congress, not the president sets the agenda, but the Pres can of course influence it with a veto threat. As far as balanced budgets go, it should be noted that it only happened after the Republicans won the control of the Congress and congressional Republicans and Clinton deserve proper credit for passing it. Unfortunately, current Republicans seems to have abondoned this idea. Liberal dems would only make the situation worse. Gingrich didn’t cause any crisis in the goverment; it’s no different than current Dems railroading Bush’s judicial nominees or whimp Texas democrats running to OK so that don’t have to vote. Clinton is an idiot, if he admitted he had the affair and didn’t lie about it under oath, he would have not been impeached. Being dumb: having sex with intern; Actually Stupid: lying about it under oath. Clinton should have been removed from power for the latter, but too many Republican whimps inhabit the Senate (Trent Lott).

Originally posted by CompassCall

No president (including Clinton) really controls the economy for good or bad; he can only sign what the Congress send him. The consumer controls the economy. The consumer (hence the economy) can be encouraged with tax cuts and low interest rates and discouraged with high taxes, high interest rates, political instability, and the negative liberal/socialist press.

Sure, when a Democrat presides over economic boom you say government has nothing to do with it. Yet when good economies happen when a Republican is in office, it’s because of good policies right? Name one single good thing Bush Jr did for the economy.

Bill Clinton did a lot of good things for the economy. Chiefly he balanced the budget and cut government spending way down. I worked for government programs at the time and remember many programs getting cut 90% or terminated all together. Clinton turned his party into a fiscal responsibility watchdog and fundamentally changed American politics.

Some of you may not remember but that was the cornerstone of the old GOP. The new Republican party is more big-government, military adventurist than its ever been. Little wonder some old timers defected.

The other thing Clinton did for the economy, he prevented the global economic meltdown of the 90’s from reaching American shores. Clinton’s team did a great job insulating US from the Asian crisis, was smart not to involve itself when Russia defaulted, and even smarter when it did bail out Mexico. Had Clinton taken the wrong course of action the US economy would have taken some serious hurt. For this the average citizen went largely unoticed.

The Repulicans would have you believe Clinton was the worest president ever because he lied about a *******. Gingrich won the Congress alright, he abused legislative authority and damaged the consitutional balance of the three branches to do it. Schwartzenegger was right about one thing, the Clinton impeachment was a Republican disgrace.

The only plus side to his announcement is that the Patriot Point Naval & Maritime Museum might have gotten some cash in the deal. I think if Kerry could have landed on the Yorktown he would have – trying to match Bush in the S-3. It’s a shame all these dumb-o-crats cant loose next year!

No president (including Clinton) really controls the economy for good or bad; he can only sign what the Congress send him. The consumer controls the economy. The consumer (hence the economy) can be encouraged with tax cuts and low interest rates and discouraged with high taxes, high interest rates, political instability, and the negative liberal/socialist press.

Rush is right, Howard Dean for President! (until the democrat convention)

The economy did falter under Bush Sr. That was one of the key reasons he “won” Desert Storm but lost to Clinton in 1992. However, a lot of the current economic situation can be attributed to Asshat General OBL and the 9/11 events. That is, of course, partially an oversimplification, I admit, but it was a big part of the problem. However, the economy is currently showing improvement, and analysts are saying that the recovery is actually going faster than anticipated. That may be the key to Bush Jr.s re-election in 2004-the economy continuing its recovery.

For a real in depth analysis you’ll have to find an economist, because I’m not going to embarrass myself trying to be one 😀

That pretty much covers prosperity, since it is really directly linked to the economy, but what about all that is good in the US?

Originally posted by SOC
Care to explain that one?

Is the US economy doing good now that the US has a republican president? Did the economy pick up with Clinton after the Reagan/Bush Sr years?

Originally posted by mixtec
I happen to believe that democrats have been responcible for all the prosperity and good that is in the US.

Care to explain that one?

I happen to believe that democrats have been responcible for all the prosperity and good that is in the US. But I have to agree with your assessment of Kerry, hes a “dangerous” democrat, and lacks any personal values. The type who will do anything for gain.