dead girls found in the UK

RE: Not insensitive, but realistic.

Hi, Gef,

“I have thought about it for some time now, I tried to understand your opinion on this, and I’ll try to put less cynism in my next post, because I see you don’t find it appropriate in these posts. Maybe it is because I’m too young (will not deny it) that I was so sarcastic, or maybe just because I’m right …”

I appreciate your comment, I honestly cannot envisage how sarcasm has any appropriate place in a discussion like this. Yes you are young but you are certainly no fool, that much is clear but as to whether you are right?

“The members of the local community … shocked, no doubt, afraid, even more, angry, yes … are their lives ruined, nope. The police, no doubt, for the men searching for these girls, it must have been a very tyring (physically and emotionally) two weaks. The media is involved in it because it wanted to be involved in it. I’m not talking about a local newspaper in Soham, which is most likely written by a relative of these girls, but BBC, ITV etc….. than they surely should be able to go through this.”

News media get involved because it is their job but don’t think that some reporters don’t get emotionally involved in the stories they cover because some do, I’ve seen it happen.

“Not, forgotten, in fact, they will be brought up every year over and over again. The case won’t be forgotten, the trial has to come and etc, but the horror these girls have gone through, this is what will be forgotten!”

I think the horror of such events is the one thing that will not be forgotten.

“I mean emotionally involved.”

Have you been around dead children? How much more involved emotionally can you be? The pathologist who carried out the post mortems will have been emotionally involved. You can only divorce yourself from the physical aspects of such a job for so long. Yes, it’s a matter of searching for clues as to how they died, a real mental exercise, but when the job is done you can’t tell me that people aren’t emotionally affected. Same for all the others I listed.

“Never said that, said I’ve lived some of my childhood in the
AFTERMATH of the Dutroux-case.”

That is your response to my telling you how I don’t see how you can truly imagine the horror the victims and their families went through. So can I take you back to post 19 and my comment…

‘We don’t know how long the girls were held before they were killed, or how they died, or the agonies and the terror they went through before their deaths.’

And your reply..

“True, and I can imagine what it must have been like for the victims and the relatives…”

No, you cannot and I hope you are never put in a position where you can.

“Now I have to be harsh again, but do you think CNN would report this case if a war in Iraq would have been going on? The press consists of humans, that doesn’t mean they are ‘humane’.”

Don’t care what CNN do or do not report. The press write about human suffering and the deaths of Holly and Jessica are certainly about suffering and certainly not ‘humane.’

“Law-books are not based on morality, but on facts and punishments.
The public may have already ‘killed’ him, like with Dutroux.”

I defy you to explain and convince me that the murderer has any rights left after what he has done, and what appear to be his cynical attempts to avoid blame and proper punishment. What do you want to do? ‘Rehabilitate’ him and put him in charge of schoolgirls just to show how justice can be done and the ‘real’ victim rehabilitated?

“As I said, now is too early. Wait 2 more months. Than we’ll discuss again.”

I look forward to it, but I fear you won’t change my opinion, nor I yours.

Regards,

kev35

RE: Not insensitive, but realistic.

Hi, Kevin,

I have thought about it for some time now, I tried to understand your opinion on this, and I’ll try to put less cynism in my next post, because I see you don’t find it appropriate in these posts. Maybe it is because I’m too young (will not deny it) that I was so sarcastic, or maybe just because I’m right …

>Please define few. There are the two extended families, the
>friends of the families, classmates, teachers, neighbours,
>the police, media and news crews (an ITV reporter spoke
>movingly about his unprofessionalism at becoming too
>personally involved), the members of the local community who
>knew them. Take all these into account and you are looking
>at a considerable number of people.

The members of the local community … shocked, no doubt, afraid, even more, angry, yes … are their lives ruined, nope. The police, no doubt, for the men searching for these girls, it must have been a very tyring (physically and emotionally) two weaks. The media is involved in it because it wanted to be involved in it. I’m not talking about a local newspaper in Soham, which is most likely written by a relative of these girls, but BBC, ITV etc., if they can reach Kabul without feelings of grief or compassion (John Simpson), than they surely should be able to go through this.

>No, I think you are again misunderstanding the depth of
>feeling this case has engendered and I don’t believe it
>will be dismissed lightly. Snowman has already mentioned the
>Bulger case and that of Sarah Payne. How about the Moors
>murders? You can hardly say these events have been
>forgotten.

Not, forgotten, in fact, they will be brought up every year over and over again. The case won’t be forgotten, the trial has to come and etc, but the horror these girls have gone through, this is what will be forgotten!

>See above. The numbers are already greater than this and
>will continue to increase. Judges, jury, legal
>represantatives, the hospital staff, morticians, funeral
>directors… The list goes on.

I mean emotionally involved.

>First of all, I think they said psychological help and
>counselling would be available to those who needed it. Many
>people are affected in various ways. This tragedy will leave
>more of a mark on some than it does on others.

True.

>No, you might think you can. How can you conceivably
>imagine the terrors Holly and Jessica went through? The
>anguish of their families, their friends, the police? Sorry,
>but how can you possibly imagine it unless you’ve lived
>through it?

Never said that, said I’ve lived some of my childhood in the AFTERMATH of the Dutroux-case.

>No, I believe this to be a ‘human’ matter which transcends
>all national or international borders.

Now I have to be harsh again, but do you think CNN would report this case if a war in Iraq would have been going on? The press consists of humans, that doesn’t mean they are ‘humane’.

>This man, if guilty, has morally given up any right to life
>he may have had by the actions he took against Holly and
>Jessica.

Law-books are not based on morality, but on facts and punishments.
The public may have already ‘killed’ him, like with Dutroux.

>No, I won’t, but only because I will never have the
>opportunity. This won’t be forgotten and I’m damned sure the
>current legal system will never punish this man enough for
>what he has done.

As I said, now is too early. Wait 2 more months. Than we’ll discuss again.

RE: Not insensitive, but realistic.

Hi, Gef.

“Don’t worry, I can get some criticism, if it is justified. But what I said is still my own personnal opinion. I don’t expect people to understand my point of view, as long as they respect it.”

It’s my personal opinion as well and I do of course respect your views, though I freely admit I’m struggling to understand your current standpoint.

“Sorry for being harsh, but I would say wrongly. Whatever may have happened to those small children (which is a tragedy ofcourse, make no mistakes about it), there are only a few people personally involved.”

Please define few. There are the two extended families, the friends of the families, classmates, teachers, neighbours, the police, media and news crews (an ITV reporter spoke movingly about his unprofessionalism at becoming too personally involved), the members of the local community who knew them. Take all these into account and you are looking at a considerable number of people.

“The other ones are leaded by false emotions, which will disappear once this whole media-circus will be over. (Believe me, I’m talking about experience, ask Frank if you want verification).

No, I think you are again misunderstanding the depth of feeling this case has engendered and I don’t believe it will be dismissed lightly. Snowman has already mentioned the Bulger case and that of Sarah Payne. How about the Moors murders? You can hardly say these events have been forgotten.

“The people from the community have done whatever they could, and they need psychological help. There are maybe 100 people directly involved in this.”

See above. The numbers are already greater than this and will continue to increase. Judges, jury, legal represantatives, the hospital staff, morticians, funeral directors… The list goes on.

“But if someone who lives 100 km away from Soham can’t sleep from it at night, than there’s really something wrong. I just can’t/don’t believe it. It’s also strange that the whole village now needs psychological help.”

First of all, I think they said psychological help and counselling would be available to those who needed it. Many people are affected in various ways. This tragedy will leave more of a mark on some than it does on others.

“True, and I can imagine what it must have been for the victims and the relatives.”

No, you might think you can. How can you conceivably imagine the terrors Holly and Jessica went through? The anguish of their families, their friends, the police? Sorry, but how can you possibly imagine it unless you’ve lived through it?

“OK, I was wrong, not in the British press, but it’s strange that these things were also widely discussed in the foreign press, eventhough this is a national matter I would guess.”

No, I believe this to be a ‘human’ matter which transcends all national or international borders.

“This guy is a psycho, he should be kept in the prison or in a secure hospital for the rest of his days.”

This man, if guilty, has morally given up any right to life he may have had by the actions he took against Holly and Jessica.

“No you won’t. Many people would like to see him death, but do you wanna see him die, that’s the question or even worse, would you pull the trigger? Believe me, in 2 months, you won’t talk anymore like this, you’ll probably just say: I hope he’s punished severe and let the police do its work.”

No, I won’t, but only because I will never have the opportunity. This won’t be forgotten and I’m damned sure the current legal system will never punish this man enough for what he has done.

Regards,

kev35

RE: Not insensitive, but realistic.

Waiting for your reply Kevin.

RE: Not insensitive, but realistic.

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 22-08-02 AT 07:42 PM (GMT)]@ Kevin,

>Geforce,
>
>I like you, I like our discussions. Most of the time you
>come across as intelligent beyond your years, but this time
>I have to disagree. First of all, please forgive me if I get
>heated, it is nothing personal against you but this is a
>topic which is drawing strong emotions among many people.

Don’t worry, I can get some criticism, if it is justified. But what I said is still my own personnal opinion. I don’t expect people to understand my point of view, as long as they respect it. None of what I said so far in this discussion is shocking or appaling.

>No! Many people feel, rightly or wrongly, that they have
>become personally involved in this case. This is two young
>girls from a small community who were well known in that
>community. They have no history of running away from home or
>disappearing for a prank. After a happy family occasion they
>went for a walk, together. They should be safe enough, it’s
>a small enough village. They weren’t, and many people from
>the community expended their time and energy in a fruitless
>search and emotional appeals for their safe return.

Sorry for being harsh, but I would say wrongly. Whatever may have happened to those small children (which is a tragedy ofcourse, make no mistakes about it), there are only a few people personally involved. The other ones are leaded by false emotions, which will disappear once this whole media-circus will be over. (Believe me, I’m talking about experience, ask Frank if you want verification). The people from the community have done whatever they could, and they need psychological help. There are maybe 100 people directly involved in this. But if someone who lives 100 km away from Soham can’t sleep from it at night, than there’s really something wrong. I just can’t/don’t believe it. It’s also strange that the whole village now needs psychological help.

>Including the man accused of their murder.

Yep, and you know why they catched him. Because he was too directly involved, he knew too much to be an outsider.

>Thirteen days went by before the police made their breakthrough. >Thirteen days in which much of this country hoped and prayed for a
>happy resolution.

Same happened here, some girls are already missing for 10 years now! Nobody cared before Dutroux came, because most of these children were from ‘poor’ workershomes. But when Anthony Declerck, son of big industrial and nephew of the former minister of the Justice Dept, was kidnapped for a ransom, the whole nation was in shock. What has happened? The Kidnappers got a life sentence, even though I don’t think it was needed in this case. (the boy even gained some kilograms while he was gone, meaning he was treated very good, unlike the other children).

>We don’t know how long the girls were held
>before they were killed, or how they died or the agonies and
>the terror they went through before their deaths.

True, and I can imagine what it must have been for the victims and the relatives. The 6 Belgian girls were kept in a cellar for 6 months, and they died from lack of food and water (which is probably the worst death you can imagine).

[link:www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/3877/Dutroux.html|Click here for more information on Dutroux]

>In the light of these events, how can you say the grief and
>expressions of sympathy from across the world are nothing
>more than it being the result of a ‘slow news week’? Gef,
>I’m almost certain you are not the heartless individual that
>this post makes you appear.

OK, I was wrong, not in the British press, but it’s strange that these things were also widely discussed in the foreign press, eventhough this is a national matter I would guess. The press does not care about emotions, they will report whatever they think may attract people.

>Now, we have a situation in which the man accused of their
>murder has been detained under the Mental Health Act in a
>secure hospital. The police have said he has not spoken
>since his arrest and spends his time ‘dribbling constantly.’
>The inference at present is that he is mentally ill and
>there is some debate about whether he will be fit enough to
>stand trial. He, himself, made an emotional appeal for the
>girls return almost certainly after their deaths. Was he
>dribbling then? No, not until he was caught.

Yeah, that’s ofcourse complete BS. Dutroux also said he tried to prevent the girls deaths, blaming his companion. This guy is a psycho, he should be kept in the prison or in a secure hospital for the rest of his days.

>If it is conclusively proved he is guilty of their abduction and
>murder then he deserves to die, and for the first time in my
>life I believe I could kill someone without any compunction.

No you won’t. Many people would like to see him death, but do you wanna see him die, that’s the question or even worse, would you pull the trigger? Believe me, in 2 months, you won’t talk anymore like this, you’ll probably just say: I hope he’s punished severe and let the police do its work.

>Please, don’t presume to know or understand the depth of
>feeling which has been triggered by this case in the UK.

I understand it 200 % because I grew up in such a mentality. When the Dutroux-crisis was in full afterburner, I was 12 years old, meaning everyone in my community was worried, afraid and so on. I’ve had a safe childhood I must say, and I never felt afraid. 6 years ago the whole nation stood still, it was more shocking than IX-XI for most Belgians (who could ever think this could happen in such small villages in one of the safest countries in the world).

>You admit to being probably insensitive? I’m sorry but the tone
>of your last post indicates an almost sinister level of
>cynicism in someone so young.

You are right, there’s a lot of cynicism in my latest posts. AFAIK, cynicism is not something bad, it’s just trying to get a neutral view on this whole situation.

>Regards,
>
>kev35

Same from me ofcourse. 🙂

RE: Not insensitive, but realistic.

Geforce,

I like you, I like our discussions. Most of the time you come across as intelligent beyond your years, but this time I have to disagree. First of all, please forgive me if I get heated, it is nothing personal against you but this is a topic which is drawing strong emotions among many people.

“Probably insensitive, but also realistic, Snowman. It’s obvious that these stories are widely reported in the British and foreign press because there’s not much other news to talk about.”

No! Many people feel, rightly or wrongly, that they have become personally involved in this case. This is two young girls from a small community who were well known in that community. They have no history of running away from home or disappearing for a prank. After a happy family occasion they went for a walk, together. They should be safe enough, it’s a small enough village. They weren’t, and many people from the community expended their time and energy in a fruitless search and emotional appeals for their safe return. Including the man accused of their murder. Thirteen days went by before the police made their breakthrough. Thirteen days in which much of this country hoped and prayed for a happy resolution. We don’t know how long the girls were held before they were killed, or how they died or the agonies and the terror they went through before their deaths. In the light of these events, how can you say the grief and expressions of sympathy from across the world are nothing more than it being the result of a ‘slow news week’? Gef, I’m almost certain you are not the heartless individual that this post makes you appear.

Now, we have a situation in which the man accused of their murder has been detained under the Mental Health Act in a secure hospital. The police have said he has not spoken since his arrest and spends his time ‘dribbling constantly.’ The inference at present is that he is mentally ill and there is some debate about whether he will be fit enough to stand trial. He, himself, made an emotional appeal for the girls return almost certainly after their deaths. Was he dribbling then? No, not until he was caught. If it is conclusively proved he is guilty of their abduction and murder then he deserves to die, and for the first time in my life I believe I could kill someone without any compunction.

“If there would have been a war in Iraq, nobody would know about this incident. The press knows how to work on people’s emotions. In the Dutroux-case, it even went that far that the gov’t had to put a ban on some newsprograms for a while, because they were making the public angry (sometimes with reasons, sometimes without). I still remember the immage of a yelling crowd when Dutroux entered the police station. Now these same people probably don’t even know why they did it … rediculous.”

Please, don’t presume to know or understand the depth of feeling which has been triggered by this case in the UK. You admit to being probably insensitive? I’m sorry but the tone of your last post indicates an almost sinister level of cynicism in someone so young.

Regards,

kev35

Not insensitive, but realistic.

Probably insensitive, but also realistic, Snowman. It’s obvious that these stories are widely reported in the British and foreign press because there’s not much other news to talk about. If there would have been a war in Iraq, nobody would know about this incident. The press knows how to work on people’s emotions. In the Dutroux-case, it even went that far that the gov’t had to put a ban on some newsprograms for a while, because they were making the public angry (sometimes with reasons, sometimes without). I still remember the immage of a yelling crowd when Dutroux entered the police station. Now these same people probably don’t even know why they did it … rediculous.

PS Sorry for the bad spelling and grammatic faults in my last post, I should work on it, but typing goes to fast.

RE: Can we get over the grief first?

I think you are being insensitive Geforce.
I am sure many people do cry when they think aboiut this case. People who can imagine the grief the family are going through, and people who have lost close ones. And just people who sympathise with the families and can feel their hurt. Just because you do not feel it, doesn’t mean others react in the same way. I think most people in the UK were very shocked to hear the news after days and days of hoping against hope for the best.

I disgree that the case will be forgotten in a few weeks. It’ll stay with most people, just like The James Bulger murder, Sarah Payne and many others. And we are talking about the general public. Family and friends of the two girls and probably many people who helped in the search will probably never forget about this.

RE: Can we get over the grief first?

OK I can live with that.

Jonesy, I never said these people who commited those crimes should be brought back into society, I said we shouldn’t execute them as that would harm society more than just giving them a life sentence. It has nothing to do with innocence or being naive, I just have my principles on which I have thought a long time. I never lost one of my relatives due a crime, not even due an accident, but for most people here counts the same.
If the family of a victim asks for his execution, than I can understand that. But the lawmaker should think rationally. Although
the people can be shocked by hearing this story about these two girls, I don’t believe any of these are really crying at night (if so you have a serious problem). Feelings of sympathy are OK for me, but don’t exaggerate with it. It won’t help the family of the victimes, and this case will be forgotten within weaks.

RE: Can we get over the grief first?

No Geforce, I am not out of my mind. I do not believe that animals should be used in medical experiements as they react differently to drugs than humans (I know all this for a fact as I have worked in both the medical field and the veterinary field). Thalidomide causes serious damages to foetuses when taken by pregnant HUMANS but does not have this effect in pregnant LABORATORY ANIMALS. Penicillin is fatal to guinea pigs, but not to humans unless you are seriously allergic. Okay, some criminals maybe “only” thieves, pickpockets etc, but that does not mean we should be inflicted with them on the streets. I am extremely intolerant of crime and I am proud of that. You Geforce are beginning to sound like one of those criminal-loving halfwits from Amnesty International (AI are good initials for that organisation, could also be taken to mean Artificial Insemination). They are always crowing on about poor bad done to criminals, poor asylum seekers (amazing how many Al Qaeda members have gained entry to Europe purely by claiming asylum). I do not want to fall out with you Geforce, but we should accept that we do not agree on some issues and leave it at that.

RE: Can we get over the grief first?

Nonsense Geforce we do, as you quite rightly say, live in civilised societies IMO it is these people who choose not to by commiting acts of the most abhorrent nature.

How can someone who has killed two 10 year old girls ever be truely rehabilitated? They’ve breached the most basic of trusts that civilisation depends on they have taken the lives of those not able to defend themselves. This is not a drunken fight between two men outside a nightclub or gangland murders in some turf war where both parties are more or less equal.

We are talking, here, of the victimisation of the most vulnerable members of our society and, as a society, we have an obligation to protect them. That, to my mind, means that people like this 28 year old must never be allowed freedom of choice or action in civilised society ever again. Whether this requires their deaths a or life-means-life jail term is an academic and financial question. Though, speaking as the father of a beautiful six year old girl, I know which I’d prefer.

You are quite lucky Benny in that you are still young enough to be able to hold on to the ideal that justice should be distinct and seperate from emotion. I think that as you get a bit older, have a family of your own etc, the reality of how utopian that belief is will become steadily more apparent to you.

Regards,
Steve

RE: Can we get over the grief first?

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 19-08-02 AT 07:56 PM (GMT)]Because not all criminals are child molesters, Comet. There are also petty thieves, pick pocketers … if they behave well, I think they should have the opportunity to be released early. Now I know you are upset because of the ‘asylum’thread, but what I said is certainly no BS if you take the time to read everything I wrote dozn. My position on the death penalty is known, and the UK won’t reintroduce it because of this incident. 6 years ago many people wanted back the guillotine in Belgium, but the same year, it was officially abandonned (though the last execution took place in 1950).

Using prisoners in laboratories? Are you out of your mind? (unless you want to test viagra on sex offenders :D, sorry for this bad taste joke, but the idea itself of using prisoners as experimental animals is already so bizarre, I can’t add much to it)

Grief is a very normal feeling. Therefor there are professional judges who will decide the punishment and not the people, or do we want to return to the Middle Ages …

BTW, sorry if my posts sound so unsensitive, but I’ve been hearing this sentimental crap the past six years, I hoped it would be over very soon, and now this happens.

RE: Can we get over the grief first?

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 19-08-02 AT 06:12 PM (GMT)]Hi, Comet.

“I cannot politely express what should be done to the child murdering scum. My sympathies are solely with the families of Holly and Jessica, not the bastards who commit these crimes.”

I think we can take your statement above as read. You know from the death penalty thread that I agree with you about these matters. You are right, it is wholly the right time to express our sympathies to and for the families. However, I don’t think this is the right time to express the anger we all so justifiably feel.

I just keep thinking ‘what if someone from Holly or Jessica’s families read this?’ We are just perpetuating the misery and anger that they will be feeling with far more justification than us. The time to discuss the ramifications of such an event will come later. In the meantime, can’t we just leave people to grieve?

Regards,

kev35

RE: The Belgian connection

What a load of b******s you talk Geforce. How can a country which keeps prisoners in luxury, gives them early release and the opportunity to offend again and cares more about the rights of criminal scum than the rights of the victims be “civilised”???? I cannot politely express what should be done to the child murdering scum. My sympathies are solely with the families of Holly and Jessica, not the bastards who commit these crimes. It’s high time to reintroduce the rack and stretch the bastards to death. Also, the increasing number of criminals in the UK would be put to a more useful purpose in some of our vivisection laboratories, much better than inflicting suffering on animals (and more scientifically accurate).

RE: The Belgian connection

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 19-08-02 AT 07:57 AM (GMT)]People who do such things are sick. They do not need to be punished they need help.
Punishing a mentaly ill person is not acceptable imo. And people who kill childeren must be mentally ill.

The Belgian connection

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 19-08-02 AT 08:32 AM (GMT)]Hanging them or executing them won’t solve the problem. We live in a civilised world, so an eye for an eye would change us back into cave dwellers. The fact that I’m opposed to the idea doesn’t mean the persons don’t deserve to die. But capital punishment would harm the society more than putting these people into jail for the rest of their lives. Capital punishment is not for civilised nations, I hope the UK is one.

The girls were found not far from RAF Lakenheath, but I didn’t know of any aviation connection.

I don’t think we should blame the police, compared to the Belgian police six years ago they did excellent work. In Belgium, the investigation was slowed down due bad communication, corruption, incompetence (Dutroux even escaped once, two ministers resignd for this0 and rivalry between different police services. Since then, a lot has changed in the Belgian judicary system, like merging the 3 police services into one, the creation of child focus, a bureau which is specialised in child’s disappearings only, new laws. I guess the British have learned from our mistakes, not making the same faults again. Still, things like this are inevitable, but the people’s anger which is now among the British people will disappear very soon, believe me. Six years ago, everyone wanted Dutroux dead. Now, nobody cares. Next year there’s the trial (after almost 8 years of investigation), the world will be watching. See what will happen. The press is already warming up the public, and the disappearing of Jessica and Holly (?), widely discussed in the Belgian press, freshes up our memory.

Dutch-speaking only

‘Dutroux Dossier’
http://www.standaard.be/archief/dossiers/index.asp?dosID=83

English

‘Belgian child sex trial opens’
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/01/31/belgium.trial/index.html

‘Belgian police widen probe into child sex scandal’
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9608/19/newsbriefs.pm/index.html

RE: dead girls found in the UK

Hi all.

It is indeed a very sad day, one can hardly imagine how the parents must feel after 13 days of waiting, hoping against hope that the breakthrough would come, only for it all to end this way.

I think at this time our thoughts should be with the families and all those involved in this case, there will be enough time for recriminations later.

I also think we should remember that no-one has as yet been charged, only arrested on the suspicion of abduction and murder. I think there will be many revelations to come in this case.

Many of us, myself included, wish to express our outrage and anger that such a crime has been committed yet again, however, I don’t think this is the time.

Again, our condolences must go out to the families of Holly and Jessica, and we must just hope that they find comfort in the good wishes of a shocked population.

Regards, respectfully,

kev35

RE: dead girls found in the UK

Why execute them? If the two currently being questioned are responsible, the best place for them will be in a cell where they’ll be tormented for the rest of their lives by fellow inmates.

It’s just an easy escape for them – not what they deserve!

RE: dead girls found in the UK

well just heard that Police have announced it was them.

The guy they arrested…Ian Huntley, he has an aviation link. I heard that he is a keen plane spotter and aviation enthusiast. He’s only lived in the area for 8+months and the track where the bodies were found was a remote private track running along the perimeter of RAF LAKENHEATH (US AIRFORCE)!!

Horrible….those responsible should be hung.

RIP

Regards

Ben

RE: dead girls found in the UK

Very sad.

Dazza.