Shot of the day

Guys (mainly ship 741) please keep to the topic, it was about the pictures, not the safety records & stability issues of the MD-11 & DC-10.
Ray Jade has already resurrected a thread that was 7 months old (missed by the mods, sorry) which should have been closed. So 2 reasons to close it, I must be getting soft in my old age, and boy with 2 young kids, do I feel old 🙂

md-11

There is a lufthansa MD-11 in at 19.45 at ema every night on tuesday it was
D-ALCF if any one is intrested:)

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Bit off-topic, but RAF Tristair departed Birmingham UK (BHX) last night as I was being taxied to the gate. Presume they’re not doing anything hush-hush?

Probably delivering more Iraq or Afghanistan casualties to the specialist hospital near Brum. The name of which escapes me.
Be lucky
David

Both the MD11 accidents you’ve quoted were pilot error ..so how can you blame the airframe

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UBT/is_31_14/ai_63805245

There are airplanes that are easy to fly (“honest”) and there are airplanes that are “quirky.” The MD-11 is an oddball. They COULDN’T blame the airplane, it is certificated and in service. But that doesn’t mean its safe.

A few posts ago it was almost insuated that I didn’t know what I was talking about, that I needed to “read the narratives.” There are always mitigating factors. Did ATC cause the L1011 crash in DFW in 1985? No, but the airplane was slowed from 170 to 150 on approach. Might it have survived the windshear encounter with 20 extra knots of airspeed?

How many crashes is Fedex going to have before someone sounds off?

Surely, most knowledgeable aviation people know that the oldest and most unfair trick in the book in accident investigation is to blame the (usually dead) pilot. Now I’ve taken my fair share of potshots at the hotshots, but not in the case of the MD-11.

There will be more landing incidents with the MD-11. Mark it down.

Both the MD11 accidents you’ve quoted were pilot error ..so how can you blame the airframe

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UBT/is_31_14/ai_63805245

I guess I mis-spoke. I understand what much maligned means, I intended to imply that IMHO the DC-10 and MD-11 have earned their reputation with much higher accident rates than their competitors. I supported my argument by showing the actual statistics.

I’ve read the narratives and am familiar with the crashes. IMHO, the MD-11 is one of the most dangerous airplanes in the air. It’s horizontal stabilizer is only 59% of the DC-10’s, yet it is 20 feet longer and the MTOW is about 100,000 lbs more. It’s got a longitudinal stability augmentation system that doesn’t seem to help much, because there have been many, many landing incidents (tail scrapes, wheel-barrowing on the nosewheel, etc.). Not to mention the two airframes that ended up on their backs, one in China and one in Newark if memory serves.

I predict future landing incidents with the MD-11 due to it’s treacherous handling characteristics. I once had a Line Check Captain with 32 years experience flying airliners tell me it was the worst airliner he had ever flown, “can’t be hand flown precisely above FL300 because the tail is too small, if the autopilot goes out you ask ATC to block out some airspace for you. the only airplane I’ve ever flown that was harder to fly than the simulator, the reverse of the the way it’s supposed to be, etc., etc.

“much maligned?” the data show otherwise re: DC-10 and MD-11..

Maligned==To make evil, harmful, and often untrue statements about; speak evil of.

I don’t know how old you are or if you were around when the DC10 was in it’s early years.. through a series of major accidents with the likes of the ANZ Erebus crash and the Turkish airlines Paris crash.. also the American Chicago crash.. the DC10 became known as the flying coffin.. it was much maligned alright ..and i think the reason it never sold in great numbers was because of this unjustified reputation

“much maligned?” the data show otherwise re: DC-10 and MD-11..

Are you some sort of Provocateur?:rolleyes:

Try the Aviation-safety.net website – and read the narratives as well…

What are KLM’s plans with their MD 11’s??

Adam

they’ll be safe for at least another 5 years

“much maligned?” the data show otherwise re: DC-10 and MD-11..

In my opinion the ubiquitous much maligned DC10 and her younger sister the MD11 are still true majestic queens of the sky

What are KLM’s plans with their MD 11’s??

Adam

Yes they’ve disappeared into Finnair

Can’t believe no-one groaned

Bit off-topic, but RAF Tristair departed Birmingham UK (BHX) last night as I was being taxied to the gate. Presume they’re not doing anything hush-hush?

Nice shots luke:cool: Are Finnair replacing there MD-11?
I wanna go Helsinki.

James

Yes they’ve disappeared into Finnair

I thought the Virgin Atlantic A340-300 was their first step in replacing the MD-11?

Oh right thought that was going to Swiss :confused:

James

Nice shots luke:cool: Are Finnair replacing there MD-11?
I wanna go Helsinki.

James

I thought the Virgin Atlantic A340-300 was their first step in replacing the MD-11?

Just for Luke the last Tristar flyers in Europe:(

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1143914/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1136472/L/
And last operater in the UK the RAF
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1144810/L/

James

Now what we need more of in Europe is the tristar how ever it pains me to say there aint many left any more. 🙁

Some more fab Finnair MD 11 shots

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1002357/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0854392/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1030877/L/

and a Martinair Cargo MD-11
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1002210/L/

James

Nice shots luke:cool: Are Finnair replacing there MD-11?
I wanna go Helsinki.

James