Aircraft crash

Sky news are saying this could be a terrorist attack as well.

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Don’t mean to wildely speculate…but this was just came up:

Report: Russian Jet Sent Hijack Signal

5 minutes ago

By STEVE GUTTERMAN, Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW – A Russian airliner crashed and a second disappeared from radar about the same time Tuesday night after both planes took off from the same Moscow airport, raising fears that terrorism was involved. A distress signal was activated on the second plane, a Russian news agency reported.

An emergency officials said that all 43 people aboard the first plane were killed in the crash and that what were believed to be pieces of wreckage from the second plane carrying 46 people had been found. The planes left Moscow’s Domodedovo airport 40 minutes apart, Russian news agencies reported.

Even our local news is “drawing similarities with 9/11”! I guess that 2 aircraft were lost = a 9/11 event. :rolleyes: I agree, it’s best to leave speculation out and let the facts present themselves in due time.

The trouble is you can’t stop speculation. 🙁

Speculation though, tends to be vocalised more readily than sympathy, but that doesn’t mean the two emotions don’t co-exist.

I just caught the tail end of a news report on the midday news about this incident, so I thought I’d pop across to the Commercial Aviation forum for once to see if there’s any more news.

COR DEAR!!! I don’t mean to ruffle feathers here, but Kev, you’re spot on. All the speculation and nonsense does nobody any good.

CNN suspects terrorism? Well, THERE’S A SURPRISE. CNN suspects EVERYTHING as terrorism. They thrive on putting fear into people. That is how they exist.

As we know the news media will frenzy over this for days and weeks and get most of the reporting wrong, make wild speculations and accusations, and then when the truth comes out will come up with conspiracy theories. Don’t emulate them here.

I’m off back to the Historic Forum.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered the state security services, the FSB, to probe a plane crash, and another missing plane.
A plane with 42 people on board went down in the Tula region south of the capital, Moscow.

Meanwhile air controllers say they have lost contact with a second plane with 44 passengers on board, near the southern city of Rostov-on-Don.

The FSB normally investigates only when suspicious circumstances are suspected.

Security has been tightened at Russian airports and the authorities say they are not ruling out a terrorist attack as a cause for the crash.

Explosion reported

The Itar-Tass news agency reports that the first plane crashed near the village of Buchalki, about 180km (110miles) south of the capital, Moscow.

Emergency officials were quoted by the Itar-Tass agency as saying they had reached the crash site in the Tula region, but there is no news on what they found.

Witnesses say they saw the aircraft explode in the air before it crashed, the agency reports.

It is not yet known whether there are any survivors.

The plane had disappeared off radar screens on its way to the southern city of Volgograd late on Tuesday.

Aviation expert David Learmount told the BBC it was “very, very strange indeed” to have “two unconnected safety accidents in the same country on the same day”.

The second plane, said to be a Tu-154 flying from Moscow to the Black Sea resort of Sochi, vanished when it was expected to be 140 km (90 miles) from the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, the emergencies ministry said, according to the Interfax news agency.

President Putin is currently on holiday in Sochi.

Russia sees two airplane crashes

Two planes have crashed in separate incidents in Russia.
A plane with 42 people on board went down in the Tula region in the centre of the country.

Meanwhile air controllers said they had lost contact with a second plane with 44 passengers on board, near the southern city of Rostov-on-Don.

President Vladimir Putin ordered the state security services, the FSB to investigate – normally a sign that suspicious circumstances are suspected.

It is not yet known whether there were casualities in either incident.

The Itar-Tass news agency reports that the first plane crashed near the village of Buchalki, about 180km (110miles) south of the capital, Moscow.

Emergency officials were quoted by the Itar-Tass agency as saying they had reached the crash site in the Tula region, but there is no news on what they found.

Witnesses say they saw the aircraft explode in the air before it crashed, the agency reports.

The plane had disappeared off radar screens on its way to the southern city of Volgograd late on Tuesday.

Aviation expert David Learmount told the BBC it was “very, very strange indeed” to have “two unconnected safety accidents in the same country on the same day”.

The second plane, said to be a Tu-154 flying from Moscow to the Black Sea resort of Sochi, vanished when it was expected to be 140 km (90 miles) from the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, the emergencies ministry said, according to the Interfax news agency.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is currently on holiday in Sochi.

CNN is reporting a TU-134 with 42 aboard and a TU-154 with 52 aboard.
And they’re suspecting terrorism. If true, ex-KGB’er Putin won’t take this laying down.

Witnesses say before the 1st aircraft crashed they saw explosions. Anyone know what they could have been…

I have to agree with Kev here… to much speculation going on. Please spare a thought for the victims (if any – which we all pray there isnt) families, rather than trying to come up with your own answers as to what happened. The news of what happened will come through eventually – until then we will just have to wait, and hope that there arent any serious injuries.

There are times when I despair….

Two aircraft have apparently crashed and it is likely that in excess of 100 people have lost their lives.

Theories so far involve terrorists fron Chechnya, Al Qaeda, weather problems and now a mid air collision.

What is wrong with you people? The bodies of the dead will not have been recovered yet, in fact, at this time, the bodies are probably still warm. The Rescue services will be trying to reach them, an investigation will be getting underway. The next of kin of the deceased will not have been informed yet. Identification of the deceased might take weeks.

Yes, by all means take an interest, but please leave the wild speculation as to cause or blame for another time. Spare some thought for the dignity of those deceased and the families who will mourn them.

Regards,

kev35

BBC World is reporting no survivors, both planes of the same type but they did not mention what type. Judging from previous reports its either 2×134 or 2×154. The tail section of one of the planes is still on fire.

Two separate plane crashes have been reported in Russia.
A plane with 62 people on board has crashed in the Tula region in the centre of the country.

The Itar-Tass news agency reports that the plane went down near the village of Buchalki, about 180km (110miles) south of the capital, Moscow.

Meanwhile air controllers said they had lost contact with a second plane with 44 passengers on board, near the southern city of Rostov-on-Don.

It is not yet known whether there were casualities in either incident.

Emergency officials were quoted by the Itar-Tass agency as saying they had reached the site of the first crash in the Tula region, but there was no news on what they found.

The plane had disappeared off radar screens on its way to the southern city of Volgograd late on Tuesday.

The second plane, said to be a Tu-154 flying from Moscow to the Black Sea resort of Sochi, vanished when it was expected to be 140 km (90 miles) from the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, the emergencies ministry said, according to the Interfax news agency.

Actually, reading the little information available a mid-air collision should not be ruled out either. Both took off from Domodedovo and disappeared from radar around 160km into their southbound flight.

CNN now reporting the second plane to be a TU-154 and the first to be a 134.

Story here:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/24/russia.planecrash/index.html

CNN) — Two passenger planes have crashed in Russia Tuesday night, Russian officials and a news organization said.

A passenger jet carrying 34 passengers and eight crew members in the Tula region crashed about 160 kilometers (100 miles) south of Moscow, the ministry reported.

A second plane went down about 160 kilometers (100 miles) from Rostov-on-Don, in southern Russia, government-run news agency Ria Novosti reported.

A ministry spokeswoman said she could only confirm that the second plane had been lost to radar.

The first plane disappeared from radar at 10:56 p.m. (2:56 p.m. ET), a ministry spokeswoman said.

The Tupolev-134 had taken off from Moscow’s Domodedovo Airport and was en route to Volgograd, in southern Russia.

The second plane, a Tupolev-154, disappeared at 11 p.m. (3 p.m. ET) after having taken off from the same airport en route to Sochi in southern Russia, Ria Novosti reported.

There was no immediate word how many people were aboard the second plane.

The Tupolev-154 is a standard medium-range airliner on domestic flights in Russia, according to aviation websites

Could of course be coincidence, but terrorism can not be ruled out. Especially in Russia since Tsjetjenia (sp?) is still a war zone. Of course Al’Qaida and other sources should not be ruled out either.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/24/russia.planecrash/index.html
A passenger jet carrying 34 passengers and eight crew members in the Tula region crashed about 160 kilometers (100 miles) south of Moscow, the ministry reported.

A second plane went down about 160 kilometers (100 miles) from Rostov-on-Don, in southern Russia, government-run news agency Ria Novosti reported

CNN is reporting that the first plane was a TU134 and the second a TU154. Both took off from Moscow Domodedovo.

I was thinking the same thing Andrewm!

Dont mean to cause panic but sounds like Terrorist Attack if they didnt crash into each other but crashed near each other at the same time!

Reports on BBC TV news now saying that the Russian Interfax news agency is saying that both planes crashed Simultaneously.

Could this be september the 11th all over again…hope not!!