When I fly with BMI from LBA to JER the ERJ145 which is a 49 seat aircraft, there are 2 members of cabin staff carried. They provided a pretty good service. However, when flying BMI Baby recently from EMA to EDI on a 737-300 carrying 149 passengers there was only 3 cabin crew members.
I also couldnt help feeling that the lack of a proper uniform made me feel a little uneasy, no doubt the cabin staff are trained to the same standards as any other in the UK but the t-shirts didnt send out the right message!
One observation I did make was that 2 of the three canin crew were young lads, one of whom was as far from the typical ‘steward’ as you could imagine and I was really pleased that WW are not discriminating on the basis of looks or weight! Nice to see more ordinary looking people as cabin crew and not only the good looking ones!
By: danairboy - 1st September 2004 at 23:09
A lot of them do ‘seem’ to be gay. I dont know for certain but the tans and highlights and sqeaky voice give one some clues! There are some pretty boys and girls working as cabin crew though and I couldnt care less about their domestic arrangements. They are pleasing on the eye though!
By: wysiwyg - 1st September 2004 at 23:05
So, every male steward is gay?
Nobody said that.
By: Whiskey Delta - 30th August 2004 at 17:20
So, every male steward is gay?
Come on guys, wake up, it’s 2004, we don’t burn them at the stake any more!
You’re right, in 2004 only 95% of them are gay.
By: purser - 30th August 2004 at 17:17
So, every male steward is gay?
Come on guys, wake up, it’s 2004, we don’t burn them at the stake any more!
By: Silver Snapper - 30th August 2004 at 09:22
Nice to see more ordinary looking people as cabin crew and not only the good looking ones!
Try Alaskan Airlines! :rolleyes:
What they lack in attractiveness is more than compensated for in attitude and quality of service. 😎
By: wysiwyg - 30th August 2004 at 09:18
Nothing insinuated at all…after all I was a trolly dolly for 9 years too!
By: skypilot62 - 29th August 2004 at 21:17
I hope you’re not insinuating I need to vacate said closet Wys? Bearing in mind I did 3.5 years as a cart tart myself and i’m definitely not left footed! 😀
By: wysiwyg - 27th August 2004 at 13:06
Yup! But no closet.
No closet required any more…most of the stewards came out of it long ago!
By: skypilot62 - 24th August 2004 at 15:37
The 50 seaters have to have 2 FA’s as well, right?
Yup! But no closet.
By: Whiskey Delta - 24th August 2004 at 14:27
The 50 seaters have to have 2 FA’s as well, right?
By: skypilot62 - 24th August 2004 at 13:43
As an ex-BD employee also… the EMB145 has to have 2 cabin crew in the UK dependant on how many rows back down the aircraft have been used. Its all about the fact it has nearly 18 rows of seating. We were also told it was 2 crew operation because of the shout commands not being heard at the back in an emergency situation!
Whiskey Delta – We don’t have a pax seat removed as such, the rear jump seat is still in front of the Lav door, much like your US version I imagine? The reason why the BD and BA models have 49 seats is the closet at the front is where you probably have seat 1A.
Just to throw more spanners in….
Not all BA EMB-145’s are 49 seaters. The ex-Brymon ones are 50 seaters.
By: Whiskey Delta - 24th August 2004 at 04:28
Ah, interesting. 🙂
By: G-OJET - 23rd August 2004 at 10:29
As an ex-BD employee also… the EMB145 has to have 2 cabin crew in the UK dependant on how many rows back down the aircraft have been used. Its all about the fact it has nearly 18 rows of seating. We were also told it was 2 crew operation because of the shout commands not being heard at the back in an emergency situation!
Whiskey Delta – We don’t have a pax seat removed as such, the rear jump seat is still in front of the Lav door, much like your US version I imagine? The reason why the BD and BA models have 49 seats is the closet at the front is where you probably have seat 1A.
By: wysiwyg - 22nd August 2004 at 22:08
I wonder if the UK 145 rule is similar to the UK operation of the F100 in the early days? When Air Europe introduced the F100 to the UK In the late 80’s the UK CAA insisted that they operated with 4 cabin crew as they were concerned that there were no exits aft of the overwings. This had not been the case in any UK certified aircraft before.
By: LTN - 22nd August 2004 at 18:04
I once flew on a Gulfstream 1 of Air Provence International from Gatwick to Le Havre and the Co-Pilot acted as cabin crew. I think the aircraft was configured with 18 or 19 seats.
By: DarrenBe - 22nd August 2004 at 02:11
No idea, our aircraft were delivered like that. It might have have something to do with the galley config, as the wardrobe is located opposite the service door, instead of opposite the main door. Unfortunately the ‘options’ document is at work, so I can’t be sure.
By: Whiskey Delta - 22nd August 2004 at 01:57
Why remove a pax seat when the 145 has 2 FA jumpseats already?
By: DarrenBe - 21st August 2004 at 20:16
WD,
Under CAA/JAA regs, we’ve got to have two cabin crew on our 145’s. I understand this is due to the emergency evac requirements. We do have a procedure to operate with one cabin attendant, but there are various restrictions and we’ve to notify the CAA when we do.
Our aircraft are configured with 49 seats and two cabin attendant jumpseats.
Didn’t realise that the FAA and ICAO rules were different.
Darren
By: Moondance - 21st August 2004 at 14:03
If you really want to read the UK requirements, check out the Air Navigation Order (ANO) http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2000/20001562.htm#20
(i) Subject to sub-paragraph (ii), on a flight to which this paragraph applies, there shall be carried not less than one cabin attendant for every 50 or fraction of 50 passenger seats installed in the aircraft.
By: Whiskey Delta - 21st August 2004 at 13:24
The 145 has to have two cabin crew. It can be reduced to one member of cabin crew, but only in very exceptional circumstances and is subject to various restrictions (pax load etc).
The number of cabin crew required is not only based on the number of seats but also the emergency evacuation procedures.
I thought the ICAO/FAA rule was that anything with 51 seats or more required 2 flight attendants and anything with 20 to 50 seats only needed 1 . Every North American operator of 50 seat jets has only 1 flight attendant.
Either way, if a company decided to offer service with 2 flight attendants I’m suprised that they decided to take a passenger seat out to accomodate them as there is a flight attendant jumpseat at the rear of the aircraft for a second flight attendant.
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