Aer Lingus unveils cost cut plans

Oh no. What would I expect then on a typicsl UK to Dublin sector. Not even a free tea and biscuits?

This is getting silly, If I want to go to Ireland and dont want no-frills, I dont have much choice! What with Ryanair and now Aer Lingus and BD giving their EMA-DUB route to WW.

If people want no-frills, let them have it. But what about me and countless others who demand a proper ‘cabin service’ where is our choice, surely I wouldnt be expected to go from up North down to LHR to go over to Dublin, its ridiculous!

I think you still get a mean cup of tea on the Liverpool-Dun Laoghaire ferry ? 😎

Oh no. What would I expect then on a typicsl UK to Dublin sector. Not even a free tea and biscuits?

This is getting silly, If I want to go to Ireland and dont want no-frills, I dont have much choice! What with Ryanair and now Aer Lingus and BD giving their EMA-DUB route to WW.

If people want no-frills, let them have it. But what about me and countless others who demand a proper ‘cabin service’ where is our choice, surely I wouldnt be expected to go from up North down to LHR to go over to Dublin, its ridiculous!

Well if nothing else Comet at least we can both feel sure in the knowledge we were both 18 in 1988. 😀

Yes, I have been, two loooooong years.

That’s nothing! I left school aged 18 in 1988. Because of my age, employers refused to train me because they were only into training 16-17 year olds! Because of that mentality I was unable to get a job until 1994 – a temporary job for a couple of months! Then I was unemployed again until 1996, when I got another temporary job for a couple of months! Then I did a training placement in the local hospital, at which time the New Deal for under 25s was introduced, so i was sacked because of my bloody age and replaced with a bimbo! In 1999 until 2002 I went to university because I thought that getting a degree might help me to get a job – it didn’t! Local employers (and indeed employers everywhere) are still too bigoted and stupid to train anyone over the age of 25 😡

A few months ago i read that the legalised discrimination known as the Modern Apprenticeship (yes, its for under 25s!) would have its upper age limit scrapped! Brilliant, I thought, maybe this is my chance to get a proper job instead of a temporary thing, but employers will still only get funding for training under 25s, so it is a bloody big waste of time.

And it really p*sses me off when everyone who is unemployed is labelled as “work shy layabouts”. It is not me who is “work shy” it is bloody British employers who are “training shy” for people over 25!

Ren, ideologically we are obviously on the same side of the fence. But the timing of these disputes at BA and potentially EI is sheer madness. I’m not for one minute advocating abandoning the struggle for the betterment of the employees lot, but a more determined case of turkeys voting for an early Xmas I have never seen. Do these people want our industry to comprise of nothing more than Ryanairs or easyJets with all the “lovely workers rights” that they have. Its not something I’d like to see- Please God tell me they don’t.

The more I read about the industry and the BA dispute in particular, the more I wonder if this is not more of a “warning shot” from a disgruntled aviation workforce at large, rarther than an attempt to mess about with a bank holiday weekend. Rhetoric as ever is around and I’d be surprised (disappointed) if the strike happens for real ?

I don’t think any employee wants the Ryanair/Easyjet formula to succeed, and I don’t begrudge that. Until there is a satisfactory conclusion to the ‘lo-co versus major’ quandary then I imagine these industrial disputes will continue to flare up as often or not as we would expect or like them?

Ren, ideologically we are obviously on the same side of the fence. But the timing of these disputes at BA and potentially EI is sheer madness. I’m not for one minute advocating abandoning the struggle for the betterment of the employees lot, but a more determined case of turkeys voting for an early Xmas I have never seen. Do these people want our industry to comprise of nothing more than Ryanairs or easyJets with all the “lovely workers rights” that they have. Its not something I’d like to see- Please God tell me they don’t.

Ren, I have been on the dole and damn nearly lost my house because of it and that has taught me not to rock the boat without a bl+~*y good reason. There is nothing “Thatcherite” about that mate I can tell you. Anyone in aviation in this country, or Ireland come to that, thinking of striking at this time wants their head examined IMO. I’m also a paid up union member and, until the advent of Mr.T.B, a Labour party member also. But strike at this time? I most certainly would not. On the other hand, when the gravy train comes back…. but I don’t see it yet. In the meantime good luck to EI.

I’m talking about protecting standards and conditions of service here Interflug. Trust me I sympathise with you in every way, I’ve been made redundant, I’ve lived off beans on toast and I take absolutely nothing for granted any more , let me assure you on that !

And by the way, I’m not talking about rocking any boats, I’m talking about steadying ships.

Doing nothing will get you knowhere, and I apologise if that sounds idealistic or romantic ? I’ve lost count of how many friends I’ve seen slide onto oblivion because they surrendered their terms and conditions only to find themselves replaced by ‘cheap’ replacement labour. whilst their managers found themselves a little better off.

I still firmly believe in taking a stand for my rights and benefits, don’t treat these people as no hopers or fools. Take a look into the future and ask yourself where this industry and others might be if we all just took whatever we were given or should I say slapped with by our shareholder friends ?

Ren, I have been on the dole and damn nearly lost my house because of it and that has taught me not to rock the boat without a bl+~*y good reason. There is nothing “Thatcherite” about that mate I can tell you. Anyone in aviation in this country, or Ireland come to that, thinking of striking at this time wants their head examined IMO. I’m also a paid up union member and, until the advent of Mr.T.B, a Labour party member also. But strike at this time? I most certainly would not. On the other hand, when the gravy train comes back…. but I don’t see it yet. In the meantime good luck to EI.

My point exactly

That’s as much a Thatcherite statement as I’ve seen on this forum Sandy. The next time you feel you deserve a pay rise I suggest you offer your job to the man on the street!

Have you ever been on the dole ? I have !!!! 😡

Yes, I have been, two loooooong years.

Ren, I have been on the dole and damn nearly lost my house because of it and that has taught me not to rock the boat without a bl+~*y good reason. There is nothing “Thatcherite” about that mate I can tell you. Anyone in aviation in this country, or Ireland come to that, thinking of striking at this time wants their head examined IMO. I’m also a paid up union member and, until the advent of Mr.T.B, a Labour party member also. But strike at this time? I most certainly would not. On the other hand, when the gravy train comes back…. but I don’t see it yet. In the meantime good luck to EI.

I’ve yet to see a successful lo-co policy applied to long haul, so I’d be very surprised if Aer Lingus wished to apply that formula right now?

Zoom Airlines consider themselves as a long haul lo-co but they offer a full service of sorts. Economies can be made in many ways and not always at the expense of the passenger or work force I’d imagine ?

What about the long haul routes? Will these also become loco or will EI try to strip these out of the European ops?

There are plenty people on the dole willing for a chance.

That’s as much a Thatcherite statement as I’ve seen on this forum Sandy. The next time you feel you deserve a pay rise I suggest you offer your job to the man on the street!

Have you ever been on the dole ? I have !!!! 😡

At least they’re having a go and making a stand. Call me old fashioned but as fully paid up union member within my profession, I find that the general public have a very low perception of why industrial action occurs and the processes/timescale that lead to it ?

These things DO NOT happen overnight, normally the upshot of several weeks or months of grievance negotiation, and despite the opinions of many tabloid readers, industrial action and it’s upsets are not aimed at the general public either.

I support the actions of BA ground staff and also the potential dispute by Aer Lingus staff. More often than not you will find that these people are trying to protect standards of practice that have been laid down before them, rarther than attempting to gain a fly pay rise or p*ss off your travel arrangements !

Support your airline staff a little more or lose them !

There are plenty people on the dole willing for a chance.

It begins.

A strike will do nothing! Just strenghen the managments resolve. They’ll probably then target those on the picket line for redundancy

At least they’re having a go and making a stand. Call me old fashioned but as fully paid up union member within my profession, I find that the general public have a very low perception of why industrial action occurs and the processes/timescale that lead to it ?

These things DO NOT happen overnight, normally the upshot of several weeks or months of grievance negotiation, and despite the opinions of many tabloid readers, industrial action and it’s upsets are not aimed at the general public either.

I support the actions of BA ground staff and also the potential dispute by Aer Lingus staff. More often than not you will find that these people are trying to protect standards of practice that have been laid down before them, rarther than attempting to gain a fly pay rise or p*ss off your travel arrangements !

Support your airline staff a little more or lose them !

It begins.

A strike will do nothing! Just strenghen the managments resolve. They’ll probably then target those on the picket line for redundancy

Oh Dear.