Qantas proposal for Boeing's non-stop 777 is still up in the air

Ok guys,” reverse thrust and spoilers deployed” lets cool down there’s a good thread being wrecked here……………As I said in another thread we can all shout the odds ref the upcoming 7E7 and A380 but as neither exist in full form yet its all tentative. mongu has to have the right to make his comments as I suspect he’s flown more often and in more types than any of us, Sandy you have to give credit where its due, his info has to carry some weight in comparing the Airbus and Boeing products concerned from the passengers perspective. I welcome input on the 777 as I have never flown on the type although I have sampled the A330. Right I’m off me soapbox-see y’all!

Re. point (B)

Not totally correct.

Aircraft designers look at various factors when figuring out what cross section a fueslage should have. Undoubtedly seating configuration is one of them. Ever wondered why, with certain aircraft types, virtually all operators ave the same configuration?

How many airlines do you know who have NOT gone for 3-4-3 in a 747 or 3-3 in a 737? Do you think, perhaps, that they haven’t changed from the default, because they can’t do so economically? Boeing designed the 747 to carry 10 abreast in economy. Do you dispute this?

I have no figures about the economy of the seating on a 747 or 777.

But I do know they both don’;t need to be packed to make a rofit.

Why shouldn’t I single out the 777 or 747?

I’ve flown with many airlines on both the 747 and 777. My Airbus trips are less numerous, but my experience is consistent with my comment.

We’re talking probabilities. In economy class, with most airlines, the 747/777 gives you less personal space (or the feeling thereof) than the Airbus. As I said, 2-4-2 feels better (in some seats) than 3-4-3 or 3-3-3.

Granted, an airline could change the configuration. But do they??

By contrast, the 767 is very good in the same way that the 330/340 is. I only flew once on a 767 but it was a lot more comfortable than the bigger Boeings. As it happens, I have a feeling that the 7E7 will be a lot comfier than the A380. Boeing’s research pans this out: passengers like smaller aircraft as the feeling of personal space is better.

well, I supose the “packed” seating shows the aircraft can fly further with more people in it.
supose in a way, your comments commend the 777 and 747 😉

How on earth do you know this?

The a380 is just as likely to be crammed with seats as any other. You do not have the right, nor the facts to say it will provide a better experience.

A) heck, its not even in service yet!
B) Aircraft interiors are purely the responsibility of the airline.

Re. point (B)

Not totally correct.

Aircraft designers look at various factors when figuring out what cross section a fueslage should have. Undoubtedly seating configuration is one of them. Ever wondered why, with certain aircraft types, virtually all operators ave the same configuration?

How many airlines do you know who have NOT gone for 3-4-3 in a 747 or 3-3 in a 737? Do you think, perhaps, that they haven’t changed from the default, because they can’t do so economically? Boeing designed the 747 to carry 10 abreast in economy. Do you dispute this?

Mongu, with all due respect, it is not the fault of Boeing what interior an airline put in its planes.
Do not single out the 777 or 747 because of its seating arrangements when you were on board.

Your comments sound exactly like what an A.net spotter would say. Biased and uninformed.

Why shouldn’t I single out the 777 or 747?

I’ve flown with many airlines on both the 747 and 777. My Airbus trips are less numerous, but my experience is consistent with my comment.

We’re talking probabilities. In economy class, with most airlines, the 747/777 gives you less personal space (or the feeling thereof) than the Airbus. As I said, 2-4-2 feels better (in some seats) than 3-4-3 or 3-3-3.

Granted, an airline could change the configuration. But do they??

By contrast, the 767 is very good in the same way that the 330/340 is. I only flew once on a 767 but it was a lot more comfortable than the bigger Boeings. As it happens, I have a feeling that the 7E7 will be a lot comfier than the A380. Boeing’s research pans this out: passengers like smaller aircraft as the feeling of personal space is better.

I am gettign tired of whining also! You had a chance to resolve the issue in a PM, but you never!

Perhaps because you were throwing accusations about like a child who’s not getting his own way?

Leave the personal side out of this. You don’t like my posts? I again urge you to use the ignore function under the user control panel.

Sandy, I don’t have one tiny problem with your views. What I have a problem with, is how you express your views and try to “force-feed” it to anyone who contradicts your views. I am not just commenting on this thread, but many of your recent posts. We all know your views, and you expressed them before nicely. However, since you gained this “I know better” attitude, you opinions matter less now. I am sure, sorry, I know I am not the only one that views your “recent” posts this way.

In conclusion, your opinions are fine, and spot-on, your expression isn’t…

this is neither the time or place.

I tire of your constant whining.

Sandy; why do you persist in immediately jumping on the banwagon whenever anyone posts something that you don’t agree with. For example “4 engines good” pointed out that the A380 is rumoured to have bars, gyms, etc. You immediately come back with the negative on that. So what? It might have, it might not. You don’t know if they will or not. The A380 is speculated to have the lowest seat cost in it’s class, so operators will be able to return a profit with a similar load which a 747 could carry. They could viably put these extra “features” onboard, or they could do as you say.

And as for this speaking the “gospel” thing; look as some of your fecking posts. A comment is made and you come back with “WHo the feck are you??” and all the rest of it. And every second post seems to be yours….more trawl…

I’ve said time and time again, you don’t like my post, ignore it.

I didn’t say anything negative about the A380. I merely commented on the fact that rumour is rumour, fact is fact.

A TYPE OF AIRCRAFT cannot be classified as better for any particular route because of the facilities an airline puts on it. This means that the SERVICE is better.

If I was to take a 757, cram it full of the most up to date first class beds and entertainment… does that make the 757 a better aircraft? No, it makes my SERVICE better.

Nothing negative there at all.

Don’t like it? lump it mate. Theres an ignore function…. use it. I do.

Calm down mate. I think I have the same ‘right’ to speculate about what the A380 experience will be like as you have to predict it the project might be a failure that will bring the whole of Airbus down, don’t I?

Isn’t the case that even with the maximum amount of seats it’s certified for (555) the A380-800 will have considerably more floor space available for passengers than any other airliner in existence?

Can’t remember where I saw it but at least one airline had suggested it was going to have fewer than 555 seats installed- which means even more space. I’d imagine Virgin will come up with something special as well.

As I said I don’t know whether economy passengers will be allowed access to any of the special features the a/c will likely have. But even if it’s only for premium and club passengers, the extra space/large bars/prayer room/reading room/ocean cruiser-like staircase or whatever else the airlines want to fit the A380s with, will surely be an extra incentive for some passengers to fly on that model if the option is available for the route they flying. During the first couple of years of service in particular, before the novelty wears off, I suspect a great many people might be going out of their way to fly the A380 if they can. Being as it is the most eagerly-awaited commercial airplane in decades and all that…

also, you seem to be talking about these “special features” as if they are fact.

Right now, they are not. My point being: don’t try and make out an A380 is a better aircraft because of the special features. The Interior is up to the airline. So if anything is better because of special features, its the airline, not the aircraft.

On the same tac, all I expect to find on an A380 is 555 seats, a few toilets and galleys and thats it. Standard aircraft interior.

Having said that, Mr branson and VS may do something extravagant… the idea of having these special features as a PR stunt is not lost on him.

not angry at all, pointing out a few things thats all.

If I were angry you can expect to see my little friend here -> 😡

How on earth do you know this?

The a380 is just as likely to be crammed with seats as any other. You do not have the right, nor the facts to say it will provide a better experience.

A) heck, its not even in service yet!
B) Aircraft interiors are purely the responsibility of the airline.

A little bid angry today?
Sure the A380 fly not yet but you can expect it

Calm down mate. I think I have the same ‘right’ to speculate about what the A380 experience will be like as you have to predict it the project might be a failure that will bring the whole of Airbus down, don’t I?

Isn’t the case that even with the maximum amount of seats it’s certified for (555) the A380-800 will have considerably more floor space available for passengers than any other airliner in existence?

Can’t remember where I saw it but at least one airline had suggested it was going to have fewer than 555 seats installed- which means even more space. I’d imagine Virgin will come up with something special as well.

As I said I don’t know whether economy passengers will be allowed access to any of the special features the a/c will likely have. But even if it’s only for premium and club passengers, the extra space/large bars/prayer room/reading room/ocean cruiser-like staircase or whatever else the airlines want to fit the A380s with, will surely be an extra incentive for some passengers to fly on that model if the option is available for the route they flying. During the first couple of years of service in particular, before the novelty wears off, I suspect a great many people might be going out of their way to fly the A380 if they can. Being as it is the most eagerly-awaited commercial airplane in decades and all that…

You can theorise and speculate all you want.

But your orignal post had an “absolute truth” feel to it. As if you were speaking gospel.

I believe that the A380 with a 555 seat configuration will be quite confy and spacious
Let’s keep in mind that many 747 have such a configuration and even more.
That’s not speculation but facts.

How on earth do you know this?

The a380 is just as likely to be crammed with seats as any other. You do not have the right, nor the facts to say it will provide a better experience.

A) heck, its not even in service yet!
B) Aircraft interiors are purely the responsibility of the airline.

Calm down mate. I think I have the same ‘right’ to speculate about what the A380 experience will be like as you have to predict it the project might be a failure that will bring the whole of Airbus down, don’t I?

Isn’t the case that even with the maximum amount of seats it’s certified for (555) the A380-800 will have considerably more floor space available for passengers than any other airliner in existence?

Can’t remember where I saw it but at least one airline had suggested it was going to have fewer than 555 seats installed- which means even more space. I’d imagine Virgin will come up with something special as well.

As I said I don’t know whether economy passengers will be allowed access to any of the special features the a/c will likely have. But even if it’s only for premium and club passengers, the extra space/large bars/prayer room/reading room/ocean cruiser-like staircase or whatever else the airlines want to fit the A380s with, will surely be an extra incentive for some passengers to fly on that model if the option is available for the route they flying. During the first couple of years of service in particular, before the novelty wears off, I suspect a great many people might be going out of their way to fly the A380 if they can. Being as it is the most eagerly-awaited commercial airplane in decades and all that…

The last i heard was Qantas were very keen on the 777-300ER

Same thing I have heard too

The last i heard was Qantas were very keen on the 777-300ER

Not to mention on an A380. Provided that economy passangers are allowed access to at least some areas (say a bar, the gift shop, the main staircase area to stretch your legs and so on), flying ultra long-haul on an A380 is going to feel infinitely better than on any other current aircraft regardless of being non-stop or 1-stop.

How on earth do you know this?

The a380 is just as likely to be crammed with seats as any other. You do not have the right, nor the facts to say it will provide a better experience.

A) heck, its not even in service yet!
B) Aircraft interiors are purely the responsibility of the airline.

19 hours is a very, very long time if you’re stuck in cattle class. That’s only a few hours less than the current 1-stop route. And at least by stopping, the journey is broken up.

I recently had some pretty miserable flights to Australia – both ways on a 777-300. The amount of personal space is derisory, and the 777 cabin cross section is just plain wrong. 3-4-3 or 3-3-3 seems too tight. This was with Emirates; my previous 777 flight was with BA and that also, was uncomfortable.

By contrast, 2-4-2 on an Airbus feels more spacious and is certainly more bearable. OK, it’s still very stingy in terms of personal space, and the legroom still sucks, but the elbow room and hip room is an improvement. And if you have a window seat, or the one next to the window, there is only 1 person next to you rather than 2, which helps.

I would probably pay a small premium in order to go the whole way on an A330/A340 rather than a 747/777.

Mongu, with all due respect, it is not the fault of Boeing what interior an airline put in its planes.
Do not single out the 777 or 747 because of its seating arrangements when you were on board.

Your comments sound exactly like what an A.net spotter would say. Biased and uninformed.

i bet Qantas will have there mouth watering.

My parents recently flew on SQ from BNE-SIN-BNE on the 777-200ER and they found it very comfortable, plus i would think that Qantas going for the A345/346 would be more economical dude to is aquisitions of the A330 and the A380? who knows maybe they will?