June 9, 2004 at 9:28 pm
I was looking at the studies necessairy to become an ATC or pilot.
It is always necessairy to have tons of math studies with so much math in it that you would want to set yourself on fire. Why are all these excessive studies necessairy in this 21st century with all hitech stuff and computers? Isn’t it urgently necessary to adjust the studies? For example, Belgocontrol suggests Civil Engineer! That’s frustrating.
By: wannabe pilot - 12th June 2004 at 11:22
You get your Thomas Cook training for free! No costs at all! I would also like to become a airline pilot. I am good at all the subjects needed, English, Science, Maths and German/ French.
You are probably thinking of the CTCMcAlpine scheme which Thomas Cook sponsor. Go to their website www.ctcmcalpine.com and read through it properly. There are a certain amount of costs in the selection process alone. You will then need to find £60,000 to give to the airline and CTC as a deposit. This will eventually be repaid to you over a period of around 7 years, but try finding £60,000 in the first place.
Also, read through the selection process. Yes, it would be very nice. Something I’d very much like to do. But good luck is all I can say!
By: Arabella-Cox - 12th June 2004 at 10:31
To be a pilot do you really need one language in your GCSE’s?
By: atc pal - 12th June 2004 at 09:52
We have actually had a few ATC-students, that were too intelligent. Sailed through the initial tests, but never progressed very far in on job training. It is just a convenient way to sort applicants.
5 nautical miles and 1.000 feet are my favourite numbers. 😉
Best regards
By: Jeanske_SN - 11th June 2004 at 19:07
I had a talk again with my nice math teacher. She told me I may be able to get a licentiate as Civil engineer. I could do it in three years, but studies can be easier so I’ll do it in six years. Then I’m 24, my parents won’t be able to afford so much study. Very foggy future now, I hope I can make something of it…
By: Wrenchbender - 11th June 2004 at 13:56
Airline MATH 101
Q: How make a small fortune in aviation.
A: First start with a Large Fortune.
By: adamdowley - 11th June 2004 at 08:40
You get your Thomas Cook training for free!
Yeah, but you need to get there first! Sponsorship is extremely tough and competitive, from what i know. i think most airlines ask for that money back, via your wages. 😡
By: Jeanske_SN - 10th June 2004 at 20:38
I recently informed with a teacher who said I don’t necessairyly have to study the cours i currently do, which is very hard. I’ll be able to go to the fourth year, but then I won’t make it anymore and will have to go to the more technical course. I maybe can go one step lower and still go to flight academy. MAybe the serious math is also drilled in in your specified pilot course?
25-26 of july open day at sfa. After that I’ll know a lot more.
By: tenthije - 10th June 2004 at 18:51
atc is alot cheaper than being a pilot and well paid in the UK
Becoming an ATCer is fully sponsored by the government here. After you graduate they keep a bit of your wages to get back on their investment, which is reasonable. I wanted to become a ATCer but my glasses are too strong.
By: MSR777 - 10th June 2004 at 18:30
Andrew…….Yup the dispatcher at least has to know how to do the big sums but on a day to day basis will usually use an airlines own computerised weight and balance system or that of a handling agent approved by the relevant carrier. When I used to do it we always had to pass a manual load control course per carrier/a/c. type even though you would only ever “go manual” in the event of computer failure. But it did used to happen! Asiana for example always insisted on manual load planning and a manual load/trim sheet for every departure no computers allowed, could take several hours to complete whole process, whereas NCA used an entirely computerised system for planning and load/trim sheet, in fact on that one there was a trick whereby you could get the computer to “auto plan/trim” the entire thing…brilliant.
By: andrewm - 10th June 2004 at 15:50
Does a dispatcher do the big sums for load etc?
By: Whiskey Delta - 10th June 2004 at 14:35
wysiwyg, splitting the bill is the highest level of aviation math. 😀
By: Camaro - 10th June 2004 at 14:08
whatever the case…
is your health a-ok?
is your MENTAL helth ok?
then what the hell are you waiting for??? just bloody DO IT!!! 😎
let me tell ya, once you get your lisense, you’ll feel like another person (been there done that)
i dont encourage people to do drugs, bui if you wanna be a pilot…just say YES 😉
Camaro.
By: andrewm - 10th June 2004 at 13:05
atc is alot cheaper than being a pilot and well paid in the UK
By: Jeanske_SN - 10th June 2004 at 12:45
Typical Belgium, conclusion out fo your responses shows that it’s only in this freaky country. Very typical. Do you think I’ll have more chance in the UK or else, to become a pilot or ATC?
I don’t care if becoming a pilot is expensive. Many do it with a loan without having financial problems.
By: Bmused55 - 10th June 2004 at 12:10
Lmao!
By: wysiwyg - 10th June 2004 at 12:00
Very true WD. The time we get interested in maths is when the pay cheque is wrong, when we reckon we’re going out of hours or when the bar bill needs splitting!
By: MEA380 - 10th June 2004 at 09:56
Jeanske_SN, not only maths, but I think also costs. To become a pilot is expensive.
By: Whiskey Delta - 10th June 2004 at 03:41
A perfect example of what math is important in aviation:
“The company screwed me out of 5 hours of pay. At my current payrate, how much money did I lose?”
It might seem like simple math but it’s what makes the world go around for pilots. 😀
By: Camaro - 10th June 2004 at 03:22
i was the worst math student of my class and managed to obtain my private lisense, then i became flight engineer with maths as bad as before, and as a mechanic (24 years already ) used the basics about 10 times in my career, as long as you are good with the 4 basics…you got it, its just the desire that makes the diference.
by the way my friend, ARRIBA uses 2 R’s…arriba, siempre arriba (Geo Chavez)
Camaro.
By: andrewm - 10th June 2004 at 00:02
ATC doesnt require any qualification at ” A Level ” or higher just you have to study for your ” A Level ” through to examination but you can fail.
Infact aparently most UK controllers do not have A Levels with only a small minority having gone to university!
Thats with the UK NATS at least