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Originally posted by wysiwyg
The answer is yes

Tssss… Pilots!:)

That’s exactly why Andre Dose has had to resign as CEO of Swiss, as he was in charge of Crossair at the time. The Swiss Authorities are still conducting their investigations, and it has been suggested Dose will be cited.

See also the Accident Report of the crash.

Originally posted by wysiwyg
The mechanical lever lock (a latch really) is only there to stop pillocks from trying to see what happens if you raise the lever on the ground. The override facility is purely to remove the latch incase it fails to automatically disengage when the wheels leave the deck. The Saab had the same system although a pillock did override the gear retraction on the ground and wrote off an aircraft. Then just recently the same pillock killed himself and several others with similar lack of prowess in an RJ at Zurich.

Deary me! how the hell was he allowed to pilot an aicraft with his track record!

Originally posted by Jeanske_SN
Sorry, but can you also please answer my other questions?

The answer is yes

Sorry, but can you also please answer my other questions?
Thanks for the reponse so far.

The mechanical lever lock (a latch really) is only there to stop pillocks from trying to see what happens if you raise the lever on the ground. The override facility is purely to remove the latch incase it fails to automatically disengage when the wheels leave the deck. The Saab had the same system although a pillock did override the gear retraction on the ground and wrote off an aircraft. Then just recently the same pillock killed himself and several others with similar lack of prowess in an RJ at Zurich.

Why override? I mean, is the gear able to overcome the resistance of the aircraft putting so much pressure on the ground? The pumps would have to slide the wheels sidewards, which meanse slipping the wheels over the ground.
What is done with a gear swing test?

Unless you use the override facility, Boeings have a mechanical lock that prevents you from raising the lever when the main wheels are on the ground. When you lift off the lock releases aloowing the lever to be raised. Overriding the lock would allow you to retract the gear on the ground causing you to sit many feet lower and lose your job in one go.

What happens if you would put the lever up on the take off roll in the 707? Do you get in trouble then, or does the gear start retracting if you get on the ground? How is that on modern aircraft? In the picture, you can clearly see that the lever must have been raised just after take off, or the aircraft is climbing at a marginal climb rate.

Sandy, the reason we have to see 20′ on the rad alt is because the instrument sensing on the 757 is towards the front of the aircraft. Because the fuselage is so long (particularly the 300) when we rotate we can get a climb indication and an increase in the altimeter reading WHEN THE MAIN GEAR IS STILL ON THE GROUND!!! By waiting until 20′ is indicated on the rad alt we know we are going up rather than rotating up!

I suppose the higher the altitude the less oxygen for the engines. But i have never known how the engines actually work.

Originally posted by wysiwyg
Yes that really does show how far we have already come environmentally.

I see what you mean about early gear retraction. Bearing in mind that for the gear to be already going up that lever must have moved a while ago. The body angle also looks relatively low. My mob expect a positive rate of climb, increasing altimeter AND 20 feet rad alt before calling for gear up.

I’m not sure, but I could swear the jets of then couldn’t climb as steeply as the jets of today. I’ve seen lots of pictures of planes at this angle and height with the gear going up.

Perhaps there were some mishaps back then. leading to this positive rate of climb rule befoire gear retraction.

cool, i wondered what would be the next leathal weapon:D 😀 😀

That is a beautiful site, all that smoke coming out of there! Yes, Jeanske, those are the early model JT-3C turbojets. The later model JT-3D’s were the turbofans.

Yes that really does show how far we have already come environmentally.

I see what you mean about early gear retraction. Bearing in mind that for the gear to be already going up that lever must have moved a while ago. The body angle also looks relatively low. My mob expect a positive rate of climb, increasing altimeter AND 20 feet rad alt before calling for gear up.

Those were the days:D 😀 😀

Wow, and it’s retracting it’s gear very fast after take off!
Is this a 707-120 with turbojets?

And people complain about modern aircraft noise and pollution?